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00:01:48,819 listen for free at 4:01 283 6700 to 31 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:52,179 night's guest is Marie D Jones she is 32 00:01:57,870 --> 00:01:55,330 the author of the power of archetypes 33 00:02:00,059 --> 00:01:57,880 how to use universal symbols to 34 00:02:02,309 --> 00:02:00,069 understand your behavior and reprogram 35 00:02:04,589 --> 00:02:02,319 your consciousness I could certainly use 36 00:02:06,330 --> 00:02:04,599 some reprogramming on occasion so I am 37 00:02:08,999 --> 00:02:06,340 certainly welcome happy that Marie D 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:09,009 Jones is here today hopefully she can 39 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:11,770 give us some insightful information to 40 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:14,290 help better our lives and of course you 41 00:02:18,740 --> 00:02:16,239 can always get her book online at Amazon 42 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:18,750 and a little bit about Marie 43 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:21,340 Brady Jones is a prolific and 44 00:02:26,339 --> 00:02:23,530 best-selling author of nonfiction and 45 00:02:28,020 --> 00:02:26,349 fiction including 15 nonfiction books 46 00:02:29,940 --> 00:02:28,030 I'm cutting edge science the power 47 00:02:33,030 --> 00:02:29,950 normal conspiracies ancient knowledge 48 00:02:37,229 --> 00:02:33,040 and unknown mysteries her books include 49 00:02:39,420 --> 00:02:37,239 PS science PSI science how new 50 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:39,430 discoveries in quantum physics and new 51 00:02:43,740 --> 00:02:41,110 science may explain the existence of 52 00:02:45,210 --> 00:02:43,750 paranormal phenomena supervolcano the 53 00:02:45,790 --> 00:02:45,220 catastrophic event that changed the 54 00:02:48,190 --> 00:02:45,800 course of human 55 00:02:50,590 --> 00:02:48,200 history destiny versus choice the 56 00:02:53,350 --> 00:02:50,600 scientific and spiritual evidence behind 57 00:02:55,150 --> 00:02:53,360 fate and free will the grid exploring 58 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:55,160 the hidden infrastructure of reality and 59 00:02:58,090 --> 00:02:55,910 many more 60 00:03:01,180 --> 00:02:58,100 Ori is a regular contributor to new dawn 61 00:03:04,810 --> 00:03:01,190 magazine fate paranoia magazine Atlantis 62 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:04,820 rising ancient origins net and phenomena 63 00:03:09,250 --> 00:03:06,770 magazine she's a screenwriter producer 64 00:03:11,020 --> 00:03:09,260 of her own company where's Lucy 65 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:11,030 productions she has appeared on 66 00:03:15,460 --> 00:03:13,310 television n radio all over the world 67 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:15,470 and has hundreds of credits writing for 68 00:03:21,190 --> 00:03:17,930 magazines blogs reviews short stories 69 00:03:23,410 --> 00:03:21,200 online articles gift books and so on she 70 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:23,420 has lectured widely on the paranormal 71 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:26,650 unknown anomalies cutting-edge science 72 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:29,410 metaphysics and human consciousness 73 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:32,930 which is precisely what we talk about on 74 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:34,910 this show the one thing that I feel like 75 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:36,560 is a little bit left out here in the bio 76 00:03:41,470 --> 00:03:39,830 is um the topic of aliens and 77 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:41,480 extraterrestrials which I know Marie has 78 00:03:47,230 --> 00:03:43,610 has certainly done her fair share of 79 00:03:54,310 --> 00:03:47,240 research into as well so Marie and 80 00:03:58,300 --> 00:03:54,320 welcome to paranormal now the pleasure 81 00:04:00,880 --> 00:03:58,310 is mine so I I am really excited the the 82 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:00,890 last episode a paranormal now we 83 00:04:07,930 --> 00:04:03,920 discussed with Joseph Selby quite a bit 84 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:07,940 about quantum physics and the the 85 00:04:14,110 --> 00:04:11,410 science and the new science that sort of 86 00:04:17,020 --> 00:04:14,120 supplements the idea that we are 87 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:17,030 spiritual beings that were in a sort of 88 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:19,370 holographic universe and we know we're 89 00:04:24,070 --> 00:04:21,680 questioning the reality of life in and 90 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:24,080 of itself and I know these are topics 91 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:25,970 that you've touched on as well so I'd 92 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:27,890 love to hear your take on sort of the 93 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:29,630 nature of the universe but but at the 94 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:31,130 same time I think what you also offer 95 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:34,730 here are some possible solutions to 96 00:04:39,730 --> 00:04:38,090 better your life so I'll let you take it 97 00:04:46,260 --> 00:04:39,740 from there what what was the sole 98 00:04:48,730 --> 00:04:46,270 purpose of the power of archetypes the 99 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:48,740 paranormal and amusing that in a very 100 00:04:54,140 --> 00:04:51,680 general term to encompass as you said 101 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:54,150 you have those 102 00:05:02,960 --> 00:04:58,450 ghosts but mainly my focus has always 103 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:02,970 been how can we possibly use science 104 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:04,930 especially things like quantum in 105 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:07,600 theoretical physics tease certain of 106 00:05:12,180 --> 00:05:10,030 groundbreaking new worlds where there 107 00:05:14,550 --> 00:05:12,190 are so many different possibilities how 108 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:14,560 can we use those to possibly help us 109 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:18,010 explain the unexplainable one day so 110 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:20,410 just after writing a lot of books and 111 00:05:27,780 --> 00:05:23,820 sort of exhausting the subject matter I 112 00:05:30,510 --> 00:05:27,790 you know as with any book it sort of 113 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:30,520 presents itself at the strangest times I 114 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:33,280 was [\h__\h] with a writer friend about 115 00:05:40,110 --> 00:05:36,790 what makes the Walking Dead or Game of 116 00:05:44,550 --> 00:05:40,120 Thrones or Breaking Bad or Star Wars you 117 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:44,560 know what makes these energy television 118 00:05:50,909 --> 00:05:48,850 movies novels so popular and really what 119 00:05:53,870 --> 00:05:50,919 when it kind of came down to was an aha 120 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:53,880 moment of realizing that it's these 121 00:06:00,000 --> 00:05:57,130 archetypal characters that are so 122 00:06:02,250 --> 00:06:00,010 universal and so relatable it doesn't 123 00:06:04,590 --> 00:06:02,260 matter where you come from what your 124 00:06:07,170 --> 00:06:04,600 religious background is what part of the 125 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:07,180 world you live in you get these 126 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:10,090 characters you relate to them you love 127 00:06:16,909 --> 00:06:13,360 them you hate them and then wondering if 128 00:06:20,190 --> 00:06:16,919 writers and creators and artists 129 00:06:22,529 --> 00:06:20,200 purposely you know types or if it was 130 00:06:25,170 --> 00:06:22,539 just something happened in the creative 131 00:06:26,129 --> 00:06:25,180 process almost even subconsciously so 132 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:26,139 that's what kind of led to this 133 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:30,310 particular book okay and and in the 134 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:33,370 process of doing that did you find that 135 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:37,240 it in of itself the process was healing 136 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:38,680 or helpful to you 137 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:43,690 oh absolutely in fact I think the timing 138 00:06:48,779 --> 00:06:45,610 of this book couldn't have been better 139 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:48,789 because I was when they started the book 140 00:06:54,990 --> 00:06:52,630 which is you know probably oh gosh 141 00:06:56,610 --> 00:06:55,000 here in half ago you know the whole 142 00:06:58,290 --> 00:06:56,620 process of writing editing and then 143 00:07:02,100 --> 00:06:58,300 getting it finally released very 144 00:07:04,750 --> 00:07:02,110 recently was going through some very 145 00:07:06,580 --> 00:07:04,760 transformative it 146 00:07:09,610 --> 00:07:06,590 one of the reasons why I wanted to write 147 00:07:12,910 --> 00:07:09,620 this book is well I've written before it 148 00:07:15,070 --> 00:07:12,920 was very Chanel and this is really the 149 00:07:19,060 --> 00:07:15,080 first book I've ever written that I felt 150 00:07:21,060 --> 00:07:19,070 had a sort of a helpful aspect to the 151 00:07:25,210 --> 00:07:21,070 readers you know where I was actually 152 00:07:27,190 --> 00:07:25,220 offering ideas and tools to make their 153 00:07:29,410 --> 00:07:27,200 lives better and it was really great for 154 00:07:31,990 --> 00:07:29,420 me because I went through this entire 155 00:07:34,780 --> 00:07:32,000 process as I was writing the book and 156 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:34,790 I'm used all these tools and I'm to 157 00:07:42,910 --> 00:07:39,800 really get down on paper why things work 158 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:42,920 twice and things don't work and I'm 159 00:07:45,730 --> 00:07:44,150 still it's still a process I'm going 160 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:45,740 through I don't think you ever just go 161 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:47,120 through it once and everything is 162 00:07:54,580 --> 00:07:51,170 perfect but it was a very tiny book on a 163 00:07:56,770 --> 00:07:54,590 personal level and I think real when an 164 00:08:00,930 --> 00:07:56,780 informative level - because the response 165 00:08:05,950 --> 00:08:03,280 what kind of responses do you get from 166 00:08:07,930 --> 00:08:05,960 people aside from you know reviews or 167 00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:07,940 that sort of thing I mean what are the 168 00:08:16,630 --> 00:08:12,440 personal responses it's funny because a 169 00:08:18,940 --> 00:08:16,640 lot of people didn't realize that one of 170 00:08:21,490 --> 00:08:18,950 the reasons why they can never change no 171 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:21,500 matter how hard they try is because they 172 00:08:27,070 --> 00:08:23,810 were only trying to change on a very 173 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:27,080 surface level didn't think about the 174 00:08:31,690 --> 00:08:29,090 fact that they themselves are walking 175 00:08:33,490 --> 00:08:31,700 talking archetypes that there are 176 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:33,500 symbols embedded deep in their 177 00:08:37,990 --> 00:08:36,050 subconscious that again they didn't 178 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:38,000 choose you know we're chosen for them 179 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:41,570 and that they have this ability to go 180 00:08:48,340 --> 00:08:45,110 when and dig deep literally change not 181 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:48,350 only them they view themselves but the 182 00:08:52,810 --> 00:08:50,390 authentic person that they can then 183 00:08:56,410 --> 00:08:52,820 express outward because I think one of 184 00:08:58,540 --> 00:08:56,420 the keys here is who are we out in the 185 00:09:00,460 --> 00:08:58,550 world you know what kind of masks do we 186 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:00,470 wear and how do we present ourselves out 187 00:09:05,980 --> 00:09:03,650 in the world it may not be the way that 188 00:09:08,770 --> 00:09:05,990 we deserve or - I think sometimes we're 189 00:09:12,670 --> 00:09:08,780 totally clueless until somebody tells us 190 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:12,680 you know boy you're awfully bossy or you 191 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:14,720 know you're always irritated what's up 192 00:09:18,210 --> 00:09:16,150 with that 193 00:09:20,670 --> 00:09:18,220 we were other people will reflect back 194 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:20,680 to us who we are and it may not be who 195 00:09:25,070 --> 00:09:23,200 we think we are well you know I was just 196 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:25,080 having a an interesting conversation 197 00:09:31,380 --> 00:09:27,610 recently and we were talking about race 198 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:31,390 and you know my work associate is is 199 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:32,710 african-american and I'm Way and we're 200 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:34,510 talking about all these different issues 201 00:09:38,940 --> 00:09:37,090 in America and you know we're talking 202 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:38,950 about some other people and you know I 203 00:09:45,690 --> 00:09:42,250 said look you know even even if we we 204 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:45,700 think we're open-minded or you know 205 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:47,230 we're progressive in our thinking and 206 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:50,010 things like that that does not mean that 207 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:52,870 we are not subject to the subconscious 208 00:09:57,930 --> 00:09:55,870 pre-programming you know it's like there 209 00:10:00,230 --> 00:09:57,940 there might be some odd behavior or 210 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:00,240 thought process that I'm completely 211 00:10:06,090 --> 00:10:03,280 unaware of unless I have a full-on 212 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:06,100 conversation with somebody else and they 213 00:10:10,980 --> 00:10:08,530 explain certain things to me then it's 214 00:10:13,170 --> 00:10:10,990 like oh I didn't even realize I was 215 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:13,180 saying it that way or you know like 216 00:10:18,030 --> 00:10:15,730 they're little things to big things it's 217 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:18,040 so powerful in the subconscious so 218 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:21,810 powerful it is 219 00:10:28,650 --> 00:10:24,610 speaking of race what's interesting is 220 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:28,660 sometimes we're just our ethnic identity 221 00:10:34,230 --> 00:10:31,690 because we feel like it might be taken 222 00:10:36,570 --> 00:10:34,240 negatively by someone else and I think 223 00:10:40,010 --> 00:10:36,580 we have to get to a point where you know 224 00:10:44,670 --> 00:10:40,020 it's okay for me to say I'm a white girl 225 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:44,680 and that's okay you know for this you 226 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:46,930 were that and but really at the core of 227 00:10:55,290 --> 00:10:49,840 it all were all human human beings and 228 00:10:57,810 --> 00:10:55,300 not always making who we are a bad thing 229 00:11:00,180 --> 00:10:57,820 or a negative thing and that's again 230 00:11:03,810 --> 00:11:00,190 that goes to we identify with ourselves 231 00:11:08,070 --> 00:11:03,820 in the world and it's and always in a 232 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:08,080 way that brings people together but 233 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:10,510 other people do reflect to us our best 234 00:11:15,630 --> 00:11:13,300 and our worst and we often only want to 235 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:15,640 see the best so we kind of deny or just 236 00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:17,680 sort of you know brush the worst under 237 00:11:21,510 --> 00:11:19,270 the rug but it's a wonderful way to 238 00:11:24,450 --> 00:11:21,520 really get in what masques you're 239 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:24,460 bearing you know what what you're 240 00:11:28,950 --> 00:11:27,040 projecting so that you can then say you 241 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:28,960 know what that's not who I really am I 242 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:29,440 need 243 00:11:40,020 --> 00:11:38,170 I was um it's funny you know you brought 244 00:11:43,890 --> 00:11:40,030 that up to was recently accused of 245 00:11:46,890 --> 00:11:43,900 having white guilt and I said I was like 246 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:46,900 no no I actually don't have white guilt 247 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:49,320 I have sympathy and I have compassion 248 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:51,850 which you know just to make that 249 00:11:57,570 --> 00:11:55,090 equation was a little scary to me that a 250 00:12:00,030 --> 00:11:57,580 lot of people would take that leap so I 251 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:00,040 think I think there's also just there's 252 00:12:09,330 --> 00:12:06,370 so much confusion as to what is in an 253 00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:09,340 amicable mind like I'm what is it you 254 00:12:12,660 --> 00:12:10,600 know people think that there are nice 255 00:12:14,250 --> 00:12:12,670 people or that they're good people 256 00:12:18,770 --> 00:12:14,260 but then we find ourselves behaving in 257 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:18,780 these like sometimes atrocious ways yeah 258 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:23,230 those are just darker sides of ourselves 259 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:26,860 that we either have a dealt with or you 260 00:12:30,660 --> 00:12:28,990 know are now being reflected back to us 261 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:30,670 but I also think we need to give each 262 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:35,170 other it's okay it's okay for someone 263 00:12:51,410 --> 00:12:45,310 else to be also going deeper and width 264 00:12:54,390 --> 00:12:51,420 at the surface and express ourselves 265 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:54,400 authentically into our nationality or 266 00:12:59,280 --> 00:12:56,710 our religion or whatever that's fine as 267 00:13:02,370 --> 00:12:59,290 long as you're also operating from that 268 00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:02,380 deeper level of understanding that we're 269 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:04,800 all one we're all connected on on a 270 00:13:09,630 --> 00:13:07,630 collective level as human beings and I 271 00:13:15,810 --> 00:13:09,640 think that's what people have are 272 00:13:18,770 --> 00:13:15,820 forgetting mm-hmm and I guess like you 273 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:18,780 said the sort of myth arc stories are 274 00:13:25,050 --> 00:13:20,710 universal and that's what kind of that 275 00:13:27,270 --> 00:13:25,060 connects us Marie hold on one second 276 00:13:29,970 --> 00:13:27,280 okay so we just cut out for a quick 277 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:29,980 second so I can call Murray back and get 278 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:31,990 a better connection so Murray let's 279 00:13:36,530 --> 00:13:33,700 let's pick it up where we were 280 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:42,870 okay well we asked you a bit about 281 00:13:50,490 --> 00:13:45,370 Universal archetypes and how it connects 282 00:13:54,060 --> 00:13:50,500 people together yeah 283 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:54,070 so I love social networking and I've 284 00:13:59,010 --> 00:13:56,320 spent a lot of time on Facebook and 285 00:14:02,420 --> 00:13:59,020 Twitter and recently it's been hard for 286 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:02,430 me to go on because I've seen people 287 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:05,710 attacking each other from various this 288 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:07,570 level of their identity 289 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:09,790 I'm a Christian I'm a new one that loves 290 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:11,920 one month white and black I'm Mexican 291 00:14:17,130 --> 00:14:15,010 and not a whole lot of people really 292 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:17,140 understanding that on that Y collective 293 00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:21,910 deeper level were human being and I 294 00:14:26,370 --> 00:14:23,920 think this is where archetypes come into 295 00:14:29,550 --> 00:14:26,380 play because we sometimes get so hung up 296 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:29,560 on certain symbols is how we see 297 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:32,010 ourselves or how we identify ourselves 298 00:14:37,350 --> 00:14:34,930 that even when they're harming us or 299 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:37,360 harming other people we continue to hold 300 00:14:46,380 --> 00:14:40,930 on to them for dear life and I see this 301 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:46,390 thing on so much and I still hope he'll 302 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:48,760 open some people's eyes to the fact that 303 00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:51,730 we have a universal nature that we all 304 00:14:58,170 --> 00:14:55,360 share and you know until we really sort 305 00:15:01,200 --> 00:14:58,180 of excavate down deep enough to find 306 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:01,210 those Universal commonalities things are 307 00:15:04,830 --> 00:15:02,950 going to get work for to continue to 308 00:15:06,810 --> 00:15:04,840 just be attacking each other's 309 00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:06,820 everything from hair color to eye color 310 00:15:18,350 --> 00:15:11,200 to how long the fingernails are and 311 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:18,360 where did you get the the the mindset to 312 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:22,290 even set course upon this road of 313 00:15:25,730 --> 00:15:24,370 self-discovery I mean did you have did 314 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:25,740 you have parents that were 315 00:15:32,190 --> 00:15:28,990 forward-thinking or spiritual or where 316 00:15:36,930 --> 00:15:32,200 does that come from not necessarily I 317 00:15:41,370 --> 00:15:36,940 think it came from years and years of my 318 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:41,380 own living same patterns over and over 319 00:15:48,060 --> 00:15:44,530 again and turning hearts it's changed my 320 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:48,070 life and succeeding at doing that only 321 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:49,810 to have it go back to sort 322 00:15:53,610 --> 00:15:51,760 the default setting and wondering why 323 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:53,620 you know and then talking to other 324 00:15:57,690 --> 00:15:55,090 people and finding out that they were 325 00:16:00,360 --> 00:15:57,700 experiencing the same thing why is it so 326 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:00,370 hard for us to change even when we 327 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:03,130 desperately want to and then doing 328 00:16:07,410 --> 00:16:05,110 research and coming to understand how 329 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:07,420 important the subconscious is and how 330 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:10,330 the vast majority of who we are comes 331 00:16:15,090 --> 00:16:12,430 from programming in the subconscious 332 00:16:18,180 --> 00:16:15,100 minds that we sometimes aren't even 333 00:16:19,950 --> 00:16:18,190 aware of so that kind of was the road 334 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:19,960 that I was walking down it's like I 335 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:21,490 didn't really want to change these 336 00:16:25,620 --> 00:16:22,930 patterns in my life 337 00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:25,630 I'm tired of the damage that they're 338 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:28,480 doing to myself and others but how do I 339 00:16:34,829 --> 00:16:31,870 make permanent change not just surface 340 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:34,839 oh it's gonna last a few months and then 341 00:16:38,670 --> 00:16:37,450 go right back to where it was well you 342 00:16:42,269 --> 00:16:38,680 know what yeah it's one of those 343 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:42,279 arguments I hear often people speak in 344 00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:44,380 terms of addiction because this is you 345 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:46,180 know at the fore of our conversation 346 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:49,300 right now socially and um and people say 347 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:51,310 you know well why don't they just get 348 00:16:57,900 --> 00:16:53,710 their act together or if they really 349 00:17:00,990 --> 00:16:57,910 wanted it they could beat it and and I'm 350 00:17:03,329 --> 00:17:01,000 thinking what you're telling someone to 351 00:17:05,790 --> 00:17:03,339 use their conscious mind which is 352 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:05,800 thinking oh my god how how did I get 353 00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,329 myself in a situation oh my god I gotta 354 00:17:12,270 --> 00:17:09,760 get myself out there are millions of 355 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:12,280 people that say that every day the 356 00:17:16,530 --> 00:17:14,470 question is they they're not fighting 357 00:17:19,620 --> 00:17:16,540 their own conscious they're fighting 358 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:19,630 their subconscious and if it's something 359 00:17:24,540 --> 00:17:21,850 that you can't see something you can't 360 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:24,550 feel or maybe you feel but you can't you 361 00:17:28,290 --> 00:17:26,410 can't grasp it you know slips through 362 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:28,300 your fingers how and goodness name do 363 00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:51,850 you do battle that a woman have you ever 364 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:53,500 heard of my Charlotte Charlotte cast a 365 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:00,110 sounds a little familiar oh yes she um 366 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:01,530 she created something that was called a 367 00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:05,070 16 set program it was her or take to 368 00:18:11,060 --> 00:18:07,320 modify it more for for women because she 369 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:11,070 felt like the program of I won't say 370 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:12,750 what her other program she was involved 371 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:14,910 with was but 12-step program was sort of 372 00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:16,770 missing or miss stepping on a few things 373 00:18:20,659 --> 00:18:19,260 but you know doesn't say no it's not 374 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:20,669 knocking that but she just thought she 375 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:22,530 could you know make something a little 376 00:18:28,820 --> 00:18:24,510 bit more apical to women or people or 377 00:18:38,659 --> 00:18:34,340 recently called BPA awakening and it is 378 00:18:41,090 --> 00:18:38,669 a very intensive 12-step program that 379 00:18:43,970 --> 00:18:41,100 takes it to a whole nother level well I 380 00:18:44,810 --> 00:18:43,980 loved about it it's similar I think so 381 00:18:48,250 --> 00:18:44,820 what you're talking about but what I 382 00:18:53,870 --> 00:18:48,260 loved about it is that it did take down 383 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:53,880 into the root causes over and over and 384 00:18:58,340 --> 00:18:55,710 over again and so you know you did not 385 00:19:02,150 --> 00:18:58,350 progress in your steps until you've got 386 00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:02,160 to the rock bottom and there's a much 387 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:04,470 greater rate of recovery with VBA 388 00:19:09,169 --> 00:19:07,290 because it's so intensive and you know 389 00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:09,179 the fourth and fifth steps all those 390 00:19:14,590 --> 00:19:11,790 steps that are really about evading the 391 00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:14,600 getting the junk out and looking at it 392 00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:18,419 you go way deep and that really was 393 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:20,040 instrumental and I'm wanting to write 394 00:19:23,299 --> 00:19:22,110 this book because I thought one of the 395 00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:23,309 things that always bothered me about 396 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:25,980 12-step programs is having to get up and 397 00:19:30,820 --> 00:19:28,710 say I am an alcoholic or a drug addict 398 00:19:33,610 --> 00:19:30,830 because what the thing is reinforcing 399 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:33,620 that particular symbol or that 400 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:36,840 archetypal symbol I'm a drunk I'm an 401 00:19:44,060 --> 00:19:40,110 addict is there a better way can we say 402 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:44,070 I'm a thriver I'm a warrior unrecovered 403 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:46,410 you know whatever his words have 404 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:48,510 incredible power to influence this 405 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:53,160 concert maybe when the 12-step book was 406 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:56,850 written that wasn't that knowledge 407 00:20:01,640 --> 00:19:58,770 wasn't is readily available but now we 408 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,650 know how powerful the subconscious is 409 00:20:07,910 --> 00:20:03,840 and you have to be careful of every word 410 00:20:09,410 --> 00:20:07,920 that you identify yourself 411 00:20:13,930 --> 00:20:09,420 because all you're doing is reinforcing 412 00:20:16,970 --> 00:20:13,940 that for better or worse right and 413 00:20:21,290 --> 00:20:16,980 applying what you know all that you just 414 00:20:24,830 --> 00:20:21,300 said to the path of an addict in 415 00:20:28,550 --> 00:20:24,840 recovery is just as applicable to anyone 416 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,560 else who is trying to overcome these new 417 00:20:33,470 --> 00:20:30,240 walls within themselves 418 00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:33,480 oh absolutely we're all addicts well 419 00:20:38,420 --> 00:20:35,640 recovering from some addiction whether 420 00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:38,430 it's to drama you know suffering 421 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:43,020 martyrdom victimization beef video or 422 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:48,050 not going for all kids coffee we're all 423 00:20:54,830 --> 00:20:51,600 we're all addicted to some pattern of 424 00:20:57,020 --> 00:20:54,840 behavior that doesn't serve us they were 425 00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:57,030 all holding on to aspects of our 426 00:21:02,980 --> 00:20:59,580 identity that were handed to us and not 427 00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:02,990 chosen freely so really doesn't matter 428 00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:06,390 organic or you know a woman or a man 429 00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:08,310 who's tired of not meeting the right 430 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:10,260 person and always repeating the same 431 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:12,030 sort of abusive patterns and 432 00:21:16,790 --> 00:21:14,250 relationships or you're someone who 433 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:16,800 always ends up with the same pay level 434 00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:19,710 no matter how hard you work no matter 435 00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:22,020 how you change your career you know 436 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:25,260 you're trapped this particular identity 437 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:27,810 of these women only makes this amount of 438 00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:37,160 here yes and that's why there's such a 439 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:39,240 huge market for self-help books because 440 00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:42,570 you know you pick up a book and as much 441 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:43,680 as some of the things in there really 442 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:46,440 make sense and and can sort of give you 443 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:48,570 like a spurt of inspiration for a month 444 00:21:54,050 --> 00:21:52,710 a few months sort of it wears off right 445 00:21:56,930 --> 00:21:54,060 and then you go buy another one where 446 00:21:58,550 --> 00:21:56,940 you reread it you know and this is all 447 00:22:00,290 --> 00:21:58,560 like some some form of maintenance which 448 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:00,300 is which is good because if you you know 449 00:22:12,530 --> 00:22:03,690 you're making an effort but it really is 450 00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,540 hard to crack that she'll and get the 451 00:22:18,410 --> 00:22:15,120 password oh my god I tried every program 452 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:18,420 buy every book in and that's when I 453 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:20,940 began feeling you know what there's 454 00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,490 this than meets the eye but it's funny 455 00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,080 because every now and then I would read 456 00:22:32,420 --> 00:22:28,320 something that just totally kicked me up 457 00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:32,430 to the next level and often it would be 458 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:37,440 a book like The Alchemist Paulo coil 459 00:22:43,940 --> 00:22:41,090 hose bug pronouncing his name correctly 460 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:43,950 or dr. Wayne Dyer I've read all his 461 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:45,570 books but there was one in particular 462 00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,440 where I must have just been ready the 463 00:22:53,150 --> 00:22:51,840 power of intention and some of the 464 00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:53,160 things that he was saying it was like 465 00:22:59,180 --> 00:22:57,360 I've read this before but boom it it got 466 00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:59,190 in it got through the gatekeeper of 467 00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:01,500 conscious awareness down into the 468 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:03,720 subconscious and I think that that's 469 00:23:07,450 --> 00:23:05,370 what we're all searching for when we 470 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:07,460 read books and you know go to 471 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:09,810 motivational speakers and what not are 472 00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:13,050 those few times that I mean come on this 473 00:23:18,290 --> 00:23:15,660 is all common sense and we know this but 474 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:18,300 every now and then somebody finds avoid 475 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:22,760 a sort of juice story or symbolism that 476 00:23:28,460 --> 00:23:25,650 breaks through the conscious barriers 477 00:23:30,580 --> 00:23:28,470 into the subconscious and even deeper 478 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:30,590 the collective unconscious of Carl Jung 479 00:23:35,180 --> 00:23:33,210 where again we're all living these 480 00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:35,190 archetypes that would not been aware of 481 00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:44,310 and is there an archetype that you know 482 00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:48,030 you can easily apply to did the 483 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:51,470 addictive mind is there something a 484 00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:53,850 story or something that that is 485 00:24:00,890 --> 00:23:57,270 applicable specifically to that well I 486 00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:00,900 think I think addict has become a modern 487 00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,420 architect you know we talked about the 488 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:05,820 archetypes that Carl Jung can you know 489 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:08,010 wrote about and worked with in his 490 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:11,490 psychoanalysis but over time as we 491 00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:13,620 evolved as human beings and we until 492 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:16,620 this new environmental issues and if I'm 493 00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,210 talking about the environment but just 494 00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:20,880 external issues social and cultural 495 00:24:29,150 --> 00:24:25,200 issues that come up there are new 496 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:29,160 archetypes that we deal with and I think 497 00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:31,890 addict and I think the victim is those 498 00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:34,620 are the two Biggie's that we in our 499 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:38,190 xiety everybody feels like a victim 500 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:39,990 everybody's pointing fingers and blaming 501 00:24:45,980 --> 00:24:42,900 other people for their lack and 502 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:45,990 inability to stand up for themselves to 503 00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:48,090 make the life better to do the hard work 504 00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:52,950 it's being the victim is easier and I 505 00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:54,900 think addict is one that we all don't 506 00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:57,240 want to own up to and admit that we're 507 00:25:02,210 --> 00:24:59,940 all addicted to something that is not 508 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:02,220 good for us whether it's food 509 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:05,850 you know shopping gambling drugs alcohol 510 00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:08,250 watching too much TV being on Facebook 511 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:11,340 too much and not pursuing our grander 512 00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:13,410 goals or spending time with family I 513 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:20,100 love it yeah and I think one common 514 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:29,700 addict is the workaholic and because 515 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,000 well in the sense of you know you go to 516 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:35,460 the office or whatever ever social 517 00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:39,890 situation and you start not gloating 518 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:44,700 exactly but emphatically sharing how 519 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,130 hard you work and you slave away and I 520 00:25:51,290 --> 00:25:49,200 didn't take this many vacations and and 521 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:51,300 then the other person's like wow oh man 522 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:52,890 that's amazing you're a great worker 523 00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:55,290 blah blah blah because they're saying 524 00:26:00,440 --> 00:25:56,870 that because they want to hear that 525 00:26:03,410 --> 00:26:00,450 because they need to feel have some sort 526 00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:03,420 of you know positive affirmation or what 527 00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,500 they're doing yeah but at least you can 528 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:16,559 admit yeah yeah yeah I mean you know in 529 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:21,210 my career I you know I'm very you know 530 00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:24,510 I'm only 38 but I'm old enough now or I 531 00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:29,070 temper I temper my time much better my 532 00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:31,190 use of time better than I used to 533 00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:34,830 you know and I've also found that that 534 00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:36,990 you know getting over the addiction of 535 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:38,460 like Oh working hard working hard it's 536 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:39,510 gonna get me there it's gonna get me 537 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:42,390 there right as I say it freed me to get 538 00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:45,000 to wherever I want to faster that's like 539 00:26:50,780 --> 00:26:48,160 my right there's like yeah there's like 540 00:26:53,250 --> 00:26:50,790 a threshold that you cross and you stop 541 00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,260 progressing you're actually regret 542 00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:55,500 you're slowing your your process down 543 00:26:59,790 --> 00:26:57,340 right and I think you're prioritizing 544 00:27:05,310 --> 00:26:59,800 more because I know for me workaholism 545 00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:05,320 has been I kind of you know tracked it 546 00:27:10,770 --> 00:27:08,590 to addiction to achievement and and I 547 00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,780 won I remember saying to someone I love 548 00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:13,360 the deal making the deal I'm addicted to 549 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:16,600 it but very recently with them last year 550 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:19,090 and a half realizing that you know I'm 551 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:21,970 getting sicker monofin and I'm not a 552 00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:24,370 telephone used to be and I'm burn out 553 00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:28,180 and I'm interval maybe I'm working too 554 00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:31,720 much and I'm still working a lot but I 555 00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:35,590 just like you I'm taking you take a step 556 00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:39,520 back and you detach from that need and 557 00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:41,620 you start to realize wow I'm really this 558 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:43,020 isn't making me happy 559 00:27:48,330 --> 00:27:46,210 maybe if I pull back a little and work 560 00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:48,340 on the things that are really important 561 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:50,590 I don't have to do all this other stuff 562 00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:53,170 to fill the time and not feeling guilty 563 00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:55,540 about taking a Saturday off I used to 564 00:28:01,680 --> 00:27:59,440 not take any days off yeah now I take 565 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:01,690 one day a week and I don't do anything 566 00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,570 and I'm and I'm you know the ultimately 567 00:28:08,670 --> 00:28:07,360 they hit it over time well I'm not going 568 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:08,680 to feel guilty we're gonna take a break 569 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:11,770 right now and right back 570 00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:13,930 this is Alan B Smith for paranormal now 571 00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:15,580 on the inception radio network I'm 572 00:28:20,790 --> 00:28:18,700 speaking with Marie Jones author of the 573 00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:20,800 power of archetypes and we will be right 574 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:27,399 [Music] 575 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:29,840 welcome back to paranormal now taking us 576 00:28:33,499 --> 00:28:32,129 out of the break was summertime by DJ 577 00:28:37,399 --> 00:28:33,509 Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince 578 00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:37,409 aka Will Smith I had to play that song 579 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:41,190 because it is burning hot in New York 580 00:28:47,749 --> 00:28:43,769 area right now this is September and 581 00:28:52,249 --> 00:28:47,759 late September Oh hot it feels like 582 00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:52,259 summertime okay but the AC blasting and 583 00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:54,299 a great conversation with Marie Dee 584 00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,279 Jones we're gonna cruise through the 585 00:29:01,039 --> 00:28:58,799 episode speaking of the power of 586 00:29:02,379 --> 00:29:01,049 archetypes how to use universal symbols 587 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:02,389 to understand your behavior and 588 00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:05,970 reprogram your subconscious so Marie if 589 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:09,440 we could start maybe with one example of 590 00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:11,970 maybe a methodology or something that 591 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:17,070 can really people can really apply well 592 00:29:22,369 --> 00:29:18,690 I think the most important thing is that 593 00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,379 you have to step back from the noise and 594 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:25,200 chaos of life and sit down with yourself 595 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:29,609 and that really honest probably for most 596 00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:32,609 people the best way to do that is to 597 00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:34,200 look at what you're always complaining 598 00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:36,950 about this is my absolute favorite tool 599 00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:40,350 in the book what are you always 600 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:43,080 complaining about because that is 601 00:29:49,609 --> 00:29:47,730 indicative of you know the misery of the 602 00:29:51,639 --> 00:29:49,619 patterns that you're stuck and if you're 603 00:29:54,889 --> 00:29:51,649 always complaining that you're tired 604 00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:54,899 okay are you doing too much or are you 605 00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:57,480 not happy at what you're doing are you 606 00:30:00,349 --> 00:29:59,340 not eating right blah blah blah if 607 00:30:03,499 --> 00:30:00,359 you're always complaining that you're 608 00:30:05,779 --> 00:30:03,509 broke well you know you have this sort 609 00:30:08,509 --> 00:30:05,789 of lacks antenna that you're working 610 00:30:10,369 --> 00:30:08,519 from have you been told by people all 611 00:30:13,129 --> 00:30:10,379 your life that you'll never be 612 00:30:15,349 --> 00:30:13,139 successful in wealthy so what do you 613 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:15,359 complain about and when you actually 614 00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:17,609 start to write that down or ask really 615 00:30:21,619 --> 00:30:19,559 close trusted friends you know what am I 616 00:30:24,979 --> 00:30:21,629 always whining about they'll tell you 617 00:30:29,989 --> 00:30:24,989 they throw it all the time it's a great 618 00:30:32,629 --> 00:30:29,999 way to take a look at where you are not 619 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:32,639 being authentic because when we're being 620 00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:34,710 authentic and expressing who we really 621 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:35,700 are 622 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:37,710 we feel good we don't I mean I'm not 623 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:39,270 saying we feel great and happy all the 624 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:41,730 time is bad things happen but we're 625 00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:43,710 operating from all different levels of 626 00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:46,830 being and constantly whining and 627 00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:49,830 complaining and feeling miserable means 628 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:52,440 that you're off track you know you're 629 00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:55,170 off that right proper frequency that you 630 00:31:03,020 --> 00:30:58,440 need to be operating on but it can also 631 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:03,030 be looking at the story of your life and 632 00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,610 not necessarily reviewing every single 633 00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:07,200 thing that ever happened to you 634 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:09,660 but the defining moments or the 635 00:31:16,539 --> 00:31:12,750 repeating patterns the most impactful 636 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:16,549 events in your life do they indicate a 637 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:19,770 repeated issue that you have dealt with 638 00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,010 I can adder 639 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:24,720 really tell us more about who we are 640 00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:27,210 than anything else you can look in the 641 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:29,580 mirror at yourself you're not going to 642 00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:33,360 understand who you are as much as 643 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:36,059 identifying the patterns that operate in 644 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:40,169 your conscience and so you know it's 645 00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:42,890 embedded hate and oh go ahead I'm sorry 646 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:48,299 well do you think that someone can write 647 00:31:56,419 --> 00:31:51,450 down those things and without guidance 648 00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:56,429 and be able to step back and see other 649 00:32:00,080 --> 00:31:58,230 patterns or their problems or do you 650 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:00,090 think most people could use a helping 651 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:02,250 hand to sort of you know see what they 652 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:05,910 don't see I interr you know I think it 653 00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:08,130 depends on the person and how honest you 654 00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:10,710 can be with yourself I think I think 655 00:32:18,010 --> 00:32:13,860 someone who really really has reached 656 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:18,020 their breaking point and once the change 657 00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:20,730 probably be willing to do the work on 658 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:26,100 their own and be brutally honest because 659 00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:27,990 you get to a certain point in life where 660 00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:30,299 it's well what do I have to lose you 661 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:32,790 know I've already lost everything and I 662 00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:34,130 think sometimes you have to reach that 663 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:36,870 rock-bottom or that breaking point in 664 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:39,000 order to do this kind of work because 665 00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:44,010 it's not easy but certainly you know 666 00:32:49,630 --> 00:32:46,550 getting some assistance from from 667 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:49,640 hypnotists or I did visually 668 00:32:57,910 --> 00:32:53,940 visualization or meditation going to a 669 00:33:00,080 --> 00:32:57,920 counselor or you know a therapist or 670 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:00,090 psychotherapist or whatever a big 671 00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:02,930 behavioral psychologist who really 672 00:33:08,660 --> 00:33:06,180 understands how deeply entrenched our 673 00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:08,670 behavioral patterns are and how to get 674 00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:11,150 them to the surface and work with them 675 00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:13,950 that you need to do or reading these 676 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:19,470 books with but most except sad to say 677 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:22,110 that most people will look at the amount 678 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:24,510 of hard work and the pain that they 679 00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:27,450 might be exposed to and say no I'm okay 680 00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:30,030 the way I am I'll just keep coasting 681 00:33:36,170 --> 00:33:33,000 along the way I am I think that's tragic 682 00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:36,180 I think yeah I think I think it sort of 683 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:36,900 is 684 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:40,320 you know I'm an ex-smoker so I you know 685 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:42,450 I remember that the feeling of like you 686 00:33:49,670 --> 00:33:44,370 know lighting up a cigarette and kind of 687 00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:49,680 just like sort of embracing my um my you 688 00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,660 know dystopian state at that point in 689 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:54,240 time and you know but that but that that 690 00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:55,920 sort of meditative state of smoking was 691 00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,410 sort of like reaffirm it but in somehow 692 00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,480 in that reaffirm affirmation there was 693 00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:02,340 like a form of comfort at the same time 694 00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:06,420 so is this odd-odd addictive cycle and 695 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:07,860 that's what makes it so hard to quit 696 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:09,690 smoking because the psychological is 697 00:34:13,670 --> 00:34:11,010 because you can you can get through the 698 00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:13,680 withdrawal of a cigarette you can you 699 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:16,470 can force yourself to make it three days 700 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:19,170 seven days so many people do it's the 701 00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:22,170 mind that gets you back there yeah yeah 702 00:34:28,130 --> 00:34:24,300 cuz it feels good on some level it's 703 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:28,140 serving you it's numbing verses it's 704 00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:31,080 distracting from other things and it you 705 00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:33,780 know it's on some level it is serving a 706 00:34:41,390 --> 00:34:37,830 purpose that it's hard for you to go 707 00:34:44,330 --> 00:34:41,400 cold turkey a break away from yeah and 708 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:44,340 it's not unlike someone in the 709 00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:46,290 relationship where they're addicted to 710 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:48,840 that relationship and they can't they 711 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:51,330 can't get out of it that's that's what 712 00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:54,210 you know the physical addiction of is it 713 00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:57,840 feels like a relationship that you can't 714 00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:01,500 live without right right and it's one 715 00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:03,540 where the relationship 716 00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,900 both abusive and pleasurable you're 717 00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:08,480 caught between these two aquariums 718 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:13,670 swings of emotion you know the sort of 719 00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:16,650 intermittent you know pleasure that's 720 00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,110 mixed in with oh this is you know maybe 721 00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:22,560 giving me cancer so but our minds will 722 00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:25,380 grab on to the good stuff and can 723 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:29,760 consign or ignore so that and domestic 724 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:32,490 violence abusive relationships that's 725 00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:35,130 really what's going on dynamically is 726 00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:38,880 that it's very hard to break away from a 727 00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:43,020 negative situation when there is 728 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:45,750 occasional positive reinforcement 729 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:49,530 because automatically react chemically 730 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:52,650 to that positive reinforcement and hold 731 00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:55,410 on to it for dear lives and until you 732 00:36:00,080 --> 00:35:57,000 get to the point where you've had enough 733 00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:00,090 or the fear overwhelms that positive 734 00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:02,820 reinforcement but they don't like which 735 00:36:07,340 --> 00:36:04,350 will get lost it's a very difficult 736 00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:07,350 thing to do because we become entrenched 737 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:09,720 in patterns so we may not even 738 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:12,210 understand why we put on weight and we 739 00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:13,890 think oh because i overate and stopped 740 00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:16,080 exercising but there's a reason why you 741 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:18,060 did that you know where you supplement 742 00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:20,190 for my depression did you go through 743 00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:24,030 something tragic a lot of cases that 744 00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:26,550 I've seen a woman who were sexually 745 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:30,120 abused or raped who later put on a lot 746 00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:32,610 of weight as a way to not have to be 747 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:37,220 attractive to men and risk being hurt 748 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,710 physically or mentally or emotionally so 749 00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:42,960 when you really start to dig deep and 750 00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:45,950 find out what's really going on here 751 00:36:51,140 --> 00:36:48,780 then you can then you can start changing 752 00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:51,150 but until you do that you might lose 20 753 00:36:55,850 --> 00:36:52,830 pounds or you might quit smoking for a 754 00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:55,860 year but boom you know the trigger 755 00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:57,960 happens again and you're right back 756 00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:00,540 where you started right I mean we can 757 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:03,300 all be very judgmental even even on 758 00:37:06,590 --> 00:37:05,130 ourselves or even be hypocritical you 759 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:06,600 know I should have judged somebody from 760 00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:10,490 for some other habit problem they have 761 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:14,990 yeah and you know you have your own 762 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:22,370 it was amazing um what's the Powerball 763 00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:29,890 bite by Jesus before you put the remote 764 00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:33,080 right yeah and someone else's I remove 765 00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:38,000 it from you you know you have love or 766 00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:40,340 compassion and empathy for people you 767 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:42,200 realize oh my gosh 768 00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,970 okay now I understand why it's so hard 769 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:46,160 for so-and-so to stop doing this or that 770 00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,450 because I can't stop doing this for that 771 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:51,920 yeah yeah I mean as you know as I'm 772 00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:53,570 getting older my body is starting to 773 00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,110 change just a little bit and and it's 774 00:38:04,510 --> 00:38:00,320 like Oh mm waistline is a little bit 775 00:38:08,350 --> 00:38:04,520 bigger than these to me you know and I'm 776 00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:08,360 okay I'm gonna do it more I'm gonna be 777 00:38:14,890 --> 00:38:10,790 more steady and yeah I'm a little bit 778 00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:14,900 better than I used to be but not as much 779 00:38:19,180 --> 00:38:16,310 as I want to be right so then I kind of 780 00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:19,190 beat myself up like okay next week we're 781 00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:23,270 gonna do extra or you know next week and 782 00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,070 I'm seeing myself struggle like this 783 00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:27,200 right and then you have people who are 784 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:29,380 so harsh and people who are overweight 785 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:32,450 and I'm thinking oh yeah I if I'm a 786 00:38:37,390 --> 00:38:35,690 skinny person and I'm struggling to get 787 00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:37,400 to the gym to get off a little bit of 788 00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:39,230 weight imagine someone who is right 789 00:38:46,180 --> 00:38:42,470 really you know the metabolism is off or 790 00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:46,190 whatever the cause is you know yeah yeah 791 00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:56,720 we laugh it's yeah you know you bring up 792 00:39:00,700 --> 00:38:58,970 a little good point though is we have to 793 00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:00,710 be really careful to not identify with 794 00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:02,900 our problems and make them an archetype 795 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:05,320 that we're operating from so if I'm 796 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:08,830 overweight you know if I buy it if I 797 00:39:15,580 --> 00:39:12,170 accept myself as a fatty 798 00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:15,590 you know or plumpy or whatever any names 799 00:39:21,730 --> 00:39:17,990 that we call other people if I start 800 00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:21,740 buying into that symbol of who I am 801 00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:23,840 it's going to be really hard for me to 802 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:25,400 ever lose weight because that's going 803 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:27,890 straight into the subconscious that 804 00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:31,250 getting embedded as a view that I had 805 00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:33,980 with myself and Andy that I have of 806 00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,220 myself out in the world those kinds of 807 00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:40,160 things are very difficult to change so 808 00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:41,839 we have to be really careful how we 809 00:39:46,809 --> 00:39:43,460 treat ourselves and how we talk to 810 00:39:50,109 --> 00:39:46,819 ourselves and you know I'm not going to 811 00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,119 say oh I'm a skinny person but I can 812 00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:53,200 save it on the coming health I'm a 813 00:39:59,519 --> 00:39:56,960 healthy person or whatever if I am 814 00:40:02,019 --> 00:39:59,529 eating better and I'm going to the gym I 815 00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:02,029 need to stop identifying with what I 816 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:03,470 don't want to be anymore 817 00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:07,730 and start to transform the way that I 818 00:40:17,710 --> 00:40:14,420 look at myself so it's so it's like 819 00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:17,720 instead of leading with the negative you 820 00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:19,369 know as your motivation you lead with 821 00:40:26,289 --> 00:40:24,349 the positive yeah yeah because even 822 00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:26,299 though the end result is positive that's 823 00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,710 it yeah that's what we often do we think 824 00:40:31,269 --> 00:40:29,359 okay like I don't want to be like this 825 00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:31,279 anymore I've got it so I'm gonna do this 826 00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:34,430 that makes sense I yeah but it's funny 827 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:36,950 cuz see the subconscious hears you say I 828 00:40:42,279 --> 00:40:40,250 don't want in it you know what we've 829 00:40:45,849 --> 00:40:42,289 always been taught us that the 830 00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:45,859 subconscious doesn't listen to the don't 831 00:40:52,329 --> 00:40:50,000 it just says I want it here's that need 832 00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:52,339 that sort of desperation that you have 833 00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:55,700 and it holds on to that and it gives you 834 00:41:02,380 --> 00:40:58,400 more of that to be desperate and not 835 00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:02,390 want and that was a huge aha moment for 836 00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:05,990 me working with affirmations I remember 837 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:08,990 you know years ago people would say 838 00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,049 things like no longer wish to be poor I 839 00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,480 know long you know I don't want to be 840 00:41:20,019 --> 00:41:17,599 poor I don't want to be overweight and 841 00:41:20,289 --> 00:41:20,029 then all of this new research bla bla 842 00:41:23,259 --> 00:41:20,299 bla 843 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:23,269 the subconscious does not recognize than 844 00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:25,609 that's a negative it takes everything 845 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:28,430 quite literally but in sort of proactive 846 00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:31,609 sense so if you're saying I don't want 847 00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,630 to be poor your subconscious is hearing 848 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:38,480 I want to be poor I or I want more 849 00:41:45,730 --> 00:41:41,690 experiences in my life 850 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:45,740 that are going to reflect my desire to 851 00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,850 not be poor and that was huge queue to 852 00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:51,440 shoot for me and I know for a lot of 853 00:42:03,520 --> 00:41:57,260 other people here's the trick that I am 854 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:03,530 gonna ask you so yeah I you know we'll 855 00:42:08,650 --> 00:42:05,810 do the meditations or exercise whatever 856 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:08,660 it is and it'll feel good and I'll feel 857 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:10,850 better and I'll get better but how do 858 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:13,370 you get to that point I don't even know 859 00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:14,930 how I get to that point the word I've 860 00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,540 gotten to that point we're a more 861 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:19,040 regular in my meditation in my exercise 862 00:42:23,110 --> 00:42:21,170 I couldn't I can't explain it to you I 863 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:23,120 can't verbalize how I got there other 864 00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:25,610 than just you know trying and trying and 865 00:42:32,290 --> 00:42:29,630 trying so how does somebody get to the 866 00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,300 point where they can even try in the 867 00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,880 first place do you know well you know 868 00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:37,040 they say what does it take 21 days to 869 00:42:51,250 --> 00:42:44,540 make a habit a new habit I'm gonna say 870 00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:51,260 ninety oh yeah yeah it does for me too 871 00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:53,750 but you know what I think knowing that 872 00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:55,340 it's not going to happen the first day 873 00:43:01,300 --> 00:42:57,230 or even the first week or maybe even the 874 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:01,310 first month there again you have to 875 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:04,490 really be committed to doing this 876 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:07,430 because if you make something a habit 877 00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:11,330 then that sort of you know overtakes the 878 00:43:15,850 --> 00:43:13,190 current habit that you want to get rid 879 00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:15,860 of and in order to make something have a 880 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:19,640 habit you have to repeat that positive 881 00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:24,050 behavior until it becomes ingrained in 882 00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:27,470 your it's like it's like deprogramming 883 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:30,620 somebody who was an occult so that they 884 00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:33,410 can then reprogram back their old 885 00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:36,940 authentic identity and in a way you're 886 00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:40,190 reprogramming your subconscious that is 887 00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:42,140 [\h__\h] nothing overnight for who you 888 00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:45,110 are you could be the yogi sitting up on 889 00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,750 top the mountain I guarantee but they 890 00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:50,000 have to do a whole lot of hard work to 891 00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:52,100 get to the point where they can change 892 00:43:57,820 --> 00:43:55,550 instantaneously so yeah you bring 893 00:44:01,960 --> 00:43:57,830 for a really good point it's hard and 894 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:01,970 it's gonna take a while but will it be 895 00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:04,610 worth it I think so I mean if you have a 896 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:08,060 pattern that is destructive and it's 897 00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,810 costing you you know the life that you 898 00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:14,000 really want to be leading then I think 899 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:17,540 even 90 days is worth doing some hard 900 00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:22,010 work murder you've seen the film have 901 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:26,200 you ever seen the film waking life no 902 00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:29,510 okay I'll just send you a link it is a 903 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:34,040 beautiful thing I think it was 2001 when 904 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:36,890 it came out Richard Linklater that was 905 00:44:43,810 --> 00:44:39,530 the director and I just I remember this 906 00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:43,820 one scene where basically what this film 907 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:46,900 is it's a it was filmed as a documentary 908 00:44:53,830 --> 00:44:49,970 essentially the mixed with the this 909 00:44:55,090 --> 00:44:53,840 story of of an actor who is going 910 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:55,100 through this process I won't give it 911 00:44:59,350 --> 00:44:57,410 away but so it's a mix between a story 912 00:45:00,940 --> 00:44:59,360 and actual documentary it's really 913 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:00,950 interesting and then it's animated and 914 00:45:06,490 --> 00:45:03,290 painted over top but there was one 915 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:06,500 there's this one scene where this 916 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:09,530 philosopher poses you know you know 917 00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:11,450 what's more powerful you know fear or 918 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:12,740 laziness or something like that and then 919 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:15,890 and then it's like well you know which 920 00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:18,650 one came first is it you know are you 921 00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:20,420 just lazy or sphere the cause of 922 00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:23,380 laziness you know from your experience 923 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:26,060 you know why is it you know sometimes we 924 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:27,530 just go we come home from work and I 925 00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:28,730 like forget it I'm just gonna turn the 926 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:31,790 TV on is there is there fear related in 927 00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:37,130 that laziness or you just don't write 928 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:40,790 well I think laziness comes for Peter 929 00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:43,010 you know just physically feeling awful 930 00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:46,160 which probably comes from a lot of years 931 00:45:52,090 --> 00:45:49,460 of not living the life that motivates 932 00:45:54,610 --> 00:45:52,100 and inspires you I mean have some bad 933 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:54,620 days but you're always come home feeling 934 00:45:59,530 --> 00:45:56,690 that way turn on the TV as a way to 935 00:46:02,860 --> 00:45:59,540 escape you got to ask yourself why do I 936 00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:02,870 feel so compelled to escape this life so 937 00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:05,870 I think some of that is just the habit 938 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:07,260 that you've got into 939 00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:09,930 I'm not facing your problem and I think 940 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:13,560 that comes from Serafino because people 941 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:16,650 fear to eat even more chains can be so 942 00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:18,930 much better than what they have it's 943 00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:23,310 still a no-no they would rather say you 944 00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:25,470 know with the crap that they are 945 00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:30,180 familiar with then risk possibly you 946 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:33,300 know failing or worse like they're worse 947 00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:35,810 in the beginning where they get better 948 00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:40,980 so how much is it to just keep on with 949 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:44,700 the status quo and I'm not dead I'll 950 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:51,210 okay okay I just many know the next 951 00:47:05,810 --> 00:46:53,130 burning wanted to kill yourself because 952 00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:05,820 you hate your motivation right so I 953 00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:08,120 think it is fair absolutely 954 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:10,260 well you know what about the person who 955 00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:12,570 you know hates their job they're 956 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:14,220 miserable then they finally change their 957 00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:17,730 job and they feel good again now had 958 00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:21,480 they stayed in the job not by choice 959 00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:23,550 perhaps that they were miserable and for 960 00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:27,960 a longer period of time you know is it 961 00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:31,830 possible to find peace of mind if you 962 00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,080 were stuck in a situation right I mean 963 00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:36,720 because I I've been through that 964 00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,430 experience where like a change comes 965 00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:40,800 near like oh my god I all I need to do 966 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:42,270 is change this one thing and I feel so 967 00:47:46,610 --> 00:47:44,490 much better than I think should I have 968 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:46,620 been cooler and let you know Ben's end 969 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:49,170 you know during that period when I was 970 00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:55,530 unhappy you know you know where we're 971 00:48:00,590 --> 00:47:57,270 trying to achieve like this great 972 00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:00,600 spiritual you know central centered 973 00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:02,670 place in ourselves but then sometimes I 974 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:04,860 kind of feel like not everyone needs to 975 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:07,970 be you know a Gotama or something so 976 00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:10,680 well yeah I remember reading something 977 00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:14,670 that said you're not going to ever be 978 00:48:19,930 --> 00:48:17,790 happy with what you want until you can 979 00:48:25,509 --> 00:48:19,940 learn to be happy with what you have 980 00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,519 and I said oh brother you know and I 981 00:48:30,009 --> 00:48:27,920 thought that was a good person but 982 00:48:32,859 --> 00:48:30,019 here's the thing you know when you still 983 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:32,869 think that the external is responsible 984 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:34,930 for your happiness that's how you think 985 00:48:39,759 --> 00:48:37,609 well if I have this boy sign or if I 986 00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:39,769 have this relationship or if I have that 987 00:48:44,019 --> 00:48:42,049 stuff and then you might be happy just 988 00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:44,029 because you made a change and you feel 989 00:48:50,289 --> 00:48:47,089 proactive but before long the feeling 990 00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,299 miserable again okay yeah I think that 991 00:48:55,089 --> 00:48:52,400 there needs to be something within us 992 00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:55,099 that stays the course and can find 993 00:49:01,420 --> 00:48:58,640 happiness in any situation or make the 994 00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:01,430 best of any situation but still you 995 00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:05,710 could still desire something better and 996 00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:08,660 that has really hurt for me to do I'm 997 00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:11,480 really impatient and I want what I want 998 00:49:16,210 --> 00:49:13,369 I want it now 999 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:16,220 so but I do remember reading that at 1000 00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:18,410 first thinking it was the safest thing I 1001 00:49:23,980 --> 00:49:21,230 ever read until I thought it until I 1002 00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:23,990 realized I'm miserable 1003 00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:29,660 in job a then I if I'm just changing the 1004 00:49:35,019 --> 00:49:32,960 external I'm gonna take with me all of 1005 00:49:37,059 --> 00:49:35,029 the things that made me miserable in the 1006 00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:37,069 first place I'm gonna go I'm gonna find 1007 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:39,529 new ones I'm gonna find new things and a 1008 00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:43,970 job be miserable is there some way of 1009 00:49:50,349 --> 00:49:47,569 just learning how to be you know at 1010 00:49:52,569 --> 00:49:50,359 peace and always trying to err on the 1011 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:52,579 side of happiness no matter what job 1012 00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:54,650 you're in I mean there are people that 1013 00:50:00,400 --> 00:49:57,609 work in slaughterhouses that are happy 1014 00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,410 in it and they maybe they have separated 1015 00:50:05,740 --> 00:50:02,960 us up on what they do they're not so 1016 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:05,750 tied into the identity of what they do 1017 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:09,470 for a living they can see it as I'm you 1018 00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:11,210 know I go to this job to make a living 1019 00:50:15,299 --> 00:50:12,980 or to make the money pay my bills but 1020 00:50:18,789 --> 00:50:15,309 that's not who I am 1021 00:50:20,769 --> 00:50:18,799 again adapter identity have you ever 1022 00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:20,779 been through an experience where you're 1023 00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:22,910 in a career that the career itself you 1024 00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:25,160 generally don't like but just by 1025 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:30,440 changing jobs you felt better for a 1026 00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:32,930 while because you were grateful for the 1027 00:50:35,710 --> 00:50:33,710 change because 1028 00:50:37,089 --> 00:50:35,720 this job whatever reason was better but 1029 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:37,099 then eventually it kind of wears off 1030 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:39,410 because the gratitude kind of fades away 1031 00:50:46,359 --> 00:50:42,650 and you realize I'm still a career that 1032 00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:46,369 I don't like well yeah maybe you moved 1033 00:50:50,349 --> 00:50:48,830 up a little bit yes exactly you know 1034 00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,359 maybe you've gone from doing something 1035 00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:52,160 you absolutely hate to something that 1036 00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:54,710 you don't like but you can tolerate and 1037 00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:56,150 I think that as long as you're moving 1038 00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,839 forward or upward that's good that's 1039 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:02,000 good you're learning how to accept 1040 00:51:06,339 --> 00:51:04,010 change maybe doing it incrementally 1041 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:06,349 instead of huge leaps of change that 1042 00:51:12,339 --> 00:51:09,290 would terrify you otherwise and at some 1043 00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:12,349 point you might get into a job that you 1044 00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:17,270 absolutely love I think it was recently 1045 00:51:21,490 --> 00:51:21,230 I heard I think it was president of you 1046 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:21,500 know 1047 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:25,609 retired president Obama had said better 1048 00:51:31,630 --> 00:51:30,050 is better and I thought I don't know how 1049 00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:31,640 about that applies to politics exactly 1050 00:51:37,780 --> 00:51:34,869 but applying to making incremental 1051 00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:37,790 changes in your life better is better 1052 00:51:42,670 --> 00:51:40,430 and I think I think that you know it 1053 00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,680 implies that as long as you're making an 1054 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:44,480 effort don't discount what you've done 1055 00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:46,450 just because you haven't mastered 1056 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:50,150 whatever or perfected you know your end 1057 00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:53,450 goal you know be be grateful and be 1058 00:51:58,599 --> 00:51:55,160 happy that you you've made a little bit 1059 00:52:01,329 --> 00:51:58,609 of a step in in a positive direction I 1060 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:01,339 like that yeah better is better because 1061 00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,170 you're better off than you were 1062 00:52:06,190 --> 00:52:05,119 yesterday and they did tomorrow you'll 1063 00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:06,200 be a little bit better off and 1064 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:09,740 eventually you know I always like to say 1065 00:52:17,230 --> 00:52:14,330 to myself one day I'll be done with work 1066 00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:17,240 and struggle we're never gonna be done 1067 00:52:22,510 --> 00:52:19,430 until we're dead as long as we're alive 1068 00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,520 there's gonna be things to do and things 1069 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:25,040 to deal with and issues and problems but 1070 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:28,490 also you know enjoyable experiences so 1071 00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:30,770 we're never going to be done so at the 1072 00:52:37,690 --> 00:52:34,640 very least can be make each Jim for each 1073 00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:37,700 leap a better one rather than keep going 1074 00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:39,800 backwards and keep repeating those 1075 00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:41,750 default patterns that are making us 1076 00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:45,380 miserable and feel stuck stuck doing the 1077 00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:46,880 same thing over and over that's the 1078 00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:47,599 definition 1079 00:52:52,509 --> 00:52:49,910 sanity isn't it you know things same 1080 00:52:56,739 --> 00:52:52,519 year over and over and over again and 1081 00:53:00,599 --> 00:52:56,749 calling it alone yeah no that makes 1082 00:53:04,539 --> 00:53:00,609 sense yeah I mean not accepting reality 1083 00:53:06,969 --> 00:53:04,549 you know on its own terms you know and 1084 00:53:09,549 --> 00:53:06,979 fighting tooth and nail against it I 1085 00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,559 wanted to ask you Marie because they 1086 00:53:17,969 --> 00:53:11,839 have a chapter specifically about the 1087 00:53:22,539 --> 00:53:17,979 language of symbols so for us you know 1088 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:22,549 when we're thinking in terms of symbols 1089 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:23,930 and 1090 00:53:36,269 --> 00:53:32,089 what do we look for in our own life well 1091 00:53:39,309 --> 00:53:36,279 I think the symbols of our lives are 1092 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:39,319 again the patterns of behavior the ways 1093 00:53:45,249 --> 00:53:43,609 that we identify ourselves the ways that 1094 00:53:48,729 --> 00:53:45,259 we talk about ourselves and the maze 1095 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:48,739 that other people see us and let's take 1096 00:53:56,699 --> 00:53:51,650 a very powerful and very prevalent 1097 00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,709 symbol and that is victim okay everybody 1098 00:54:04,329 --> 00:53:59,359 whether you're talking politics or 1099 00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:04,339 religion or relationships or awesome 1100 00:54:09,999 --> 00:54:07,880 glory you know job situation we don't 1101 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:10,009 know what it means to play the victim we 1102 00:54:16,289 --> 00:54:12,170 all know what it means to feel the 1103 00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:16,299 victim and if that is a symbol that we 1104 00:54:21,219 --> 00:54:19,369 buy as part of our personality and who 1105 00:54:25,479 --> 00:54:21,229 we are we're never going to get over 1106 00:54:30,459 --> 00:54:25,489 being victimized until the we swapped 1107 00:54:33,279 --> 00:54:30,469 out for something more empowering martyr 1108 00:54:36,099 --> 00:54:33,289 you know that's another one dictator my 1109 00:54:38,259 --> 00:54:36,109 gosh we're seeing this everywhere not 1110 00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,269 just in politics but people who bully 1111 00:54:44,529 --> 00:54:40,400 each other on social networking people 1112 00:54:46,989 --> 00:54:44,539 who control each other and who sat 1113 00:54:51,870 --> 00:54:46,999 seeing each other and you know thank God 1114 00:54:54,489 --> 00:54:51,880 we become a world full of bullies so I 1115 00:54:56,969 --> 00:54:54,499 think that that's how you identify you 1116 00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:56,979 look at the way that you see yourself 1117 00:55:01,420 --> 00:55:00,319 but also how others see you you look at 1118 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:01,430 also 1119 00:55:06,190 --> 00:55:03,530 that make you angry about someone else 1120 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:06,200 because it can be reflection of that 1121 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:09,170 part of you that you never owned up to I 1122 00:55:14,890 --> 00:55:12,530 can be angry at bullies but have I ever 1123 00:55:15,809 --> 00:55:14,900 looked at how I bullied people probably 1124 00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:15,819 not 1125 00:55:21,579 --> 00:55:18,500 so maybe my anger at them is a 1126 00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:21,589 reflection of my inability to own up to 1127 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:31,520 how I can be a bully I think that we all 1128 00:55:36,510 --> 00:55:33,890 are do that I think we all do that we're 1129 00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:36,520 capable of that I think there are just 1130 00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:41,380 certain blockades that we have developed 1131 00:55:48,450 --> 00:55:45,849 so it you know it's like we're able to 1132 00:55:52,299 --> 00:55:48,460 okay let's say like I'm you disagree on 1133 00:55:58,750 --> 00:55:52,309 on politics with a close family member 1134 00:55:59,859 --> 00:55:58,760 severely and and most people when 1135 00:56:01,569 --> 00:55:59,869 they're in person they might get a 1136 00:56:03,309 --> 00:56:01,579 little worked up Oh God 1137 00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:03,319 you know what they're not gonna be like 1138 00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:05,660 you're a bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep 1139 00:56:10,690 --> 00:56:08,960 bleep and so forth you know the way we 1140 00:56:12,220 --> 00:56:10,700 speak to each other face-to-face is 1141 00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:12,230 often different than what actually 1142 00:56:20,579 --> 00:56:16,430 happens on social media and and on the 1143 00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:20,589 so I have one I think it's cowardice but 1144 00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:25,390 it's like we edit who we respect more 1145 00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:29,119 than others so it's like yeah that might 1146 00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:31,160 be or that might be your mom or your 1147 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:35,240 brother but why is there opinion you 1148 00:56:38,530 --> 00:56:37,010 know any less valid than someone else's 1149 00:56:40,210 --> 00:56:38,540 so some of us that you don't know with a 1150 00:56:42,730 --> 00:56:40,220 different opinion you're gonna rip to 1151 00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:42,740 shreds but you're willing to listen to 1152 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:46,400 them and then tolerate them right you 1153 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:48,410 know so we can very easily 1154 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:55,130 compartmentalize and I think again also 1155 00:57:00,579 --> 00:56:57,410 though what we do in the situation this 1156 00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:00,589 were makes our identities who we are our 1157 00:57:07,539 --> 00:57:04,670 opinions and they're not our opinions 1158 00:57:10,089 --> 00:57:07,549 our you know things that we believe 1159 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:10,099 about ourselves and other people in the 1160 00:57:15,690 --> 00:57:13,970 world based on our experiences but they 1161 00:57:18,609 --> 00:57:15,700 may not be 1162 00:57:20,739 --> 00:57:18,619 associated with our authentic rooms that 1163 00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:20,749 was probably as separate from we don't 1164 00:57:25,449 --> 00:57:23,420 even recognize them anymore and I'll 1165 00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:25,459 hear people were voicing their opinions 1166 00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:28,910 and I'll think wow you know your your 1167 00:57:33,309 --> 00:57:31,670 opinion you think is fast you think is 1168 00:57:40,269 --> 00:57:33,319 truth and that's how you're presenting 1169 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:40,279 it to me but it's not well we're gonna 1170 00:57:43,870 --> 00:57:42,170 take a quick break Murray um and well 1171 00:57:46,539 --> 00:57:43,880 I'll ask you when we get back you know 1172 00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:46,549 about sacred objects and you know what 1173 00:57:52,539 --> 00:57:49,910 things out there can help break down our 1174 00:57:54,009 --> 00:57:52,549 psychological barriers this is Alan B 1175 00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:54,019 Smith for a paranormal now on the 1176 00:57:57,849 --> 00:57:55,910 inception radio network my guest is 1177 00:57:59,920 --> 00:57:57,859 Murray D Jones the author of the power 1178 00:58:00,680 --> 00:57:59,930 of archetypes and we will be your right 1179 00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:00,690 back 1180 00:58:15,089 --> 00:58:12,380 [Music] 1181 00:58:17,009 --> 00:58:15,099 this is paranormal now and taking us out 1182 00:58:20,370 --> 00:58:17,019 of the break was don't worry be happy by 1183 00:58:21,269 --> 00:58:20,380 Bobby McFerrin are speaking with Marie 1184 00:58:24,179 --> 00:58:21,279 de Jones 1185 00:58:27,989 --> 00:58:24,189 author of the power of archetypes and I 1186 00:58:31,229 --> 00:58:27,999 wanted to ask Marie you know what what 1187 00:58:35,339 --> 00:58:31,239 symbols or physical symbols or objects 1188 00:58:36,829 --> 00:58:35,349 are actually effective and perhaps our 1189 00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:36,839 healing process of breaking down 1190 00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:40,630 psychological walls summary is there is 1191 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:43,420 there anything out there that that is 1192 00:58:47,849 --> 00:58:45,609 actually effective I mean I know it we 1193 00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,859 have symbols that we use and we say we 1194 00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:50,079 believe in these things and so forth 1195 00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:52,380 but from your experience can you say 1196 00:58:58,979 --> 00:58:55,839 that such and such does actually have an 1197 00:59:03,620 --> 00:58:58,989 effect I'm sure I mean I think it all 1198 00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:03,630 influences the mind it can reinforce 1199 00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:07,599 positive feelings or negative but some 1200 00:59:12,299 --> 00:59:09,910 you know symbols really are the language 1201 00:59:15,419 --> 00:59:12,309 of the subconscious so they speak to us 1202 00:59:17,789 --> 00:59:15,429 and one is that the consciousness will 1203 00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:17,799 never understand and will never be able 1204 00:59:22,859 --> 00:59:20,049 to really express consciously how they 1205 00:59:26,249 --> 00:59:22,869 influence and affect us so if there's 1206 00:59:29,939 --> 00:59:26,259 something that is symbolically powerful 1207 00:59:32,729 --> 00:59:29,949 to you that represents your desire to 1208 00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:32,739 change or who you think that you are or 1209 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:35,400 a dream or a goal that you have 1210 00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:38,890 absolutely use them because you can do 1211 00:59:43,650 --> 00:59:42,160 all the conscious work of saying I want 1212 00:59:45,479 --> 00:59:43,660 to change and here's what I'm going to 1213 00:59:47,370 --> 00:59:45,489 do and here are my goals and I'm going 1214 00:59:50,539 --> 00:59:47,380 to lose 10 pounds and I'm going to be 1215 00:59:53,579 --> 00:59:50,549 this or that but it's something and 1216 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:53,589 let's use losing weight as an example 1217 01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:56,890 saying to yourself I'm going to lose 15 1218 01:00:02,819 --> 01:00:00,880 pounds well big deal okay because most 1219 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:02,829 people just can't do it just by saying 1220 01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:04,569 it to themselves but what if you were to 1221 01:00:11,339 --> 01:00:07,599 go by let's say woman who husband buys 1222 01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:11,349 this beautiful dress yeah she can look 1223 01:00:17,189 --> 01:00:14,920 at as a motivator to inspire her to 1224 01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:17,199 stick to her weight-loss plan because 1225 01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:19,900 she wants to wear that dress to an 1226 01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,430 upcoming event 1227 01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,440 or you know to go dancing with friends 1228 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:26,160 or whatever the necklace becomes a 1229 01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,290 powerful symbol and a motivator that 1230 01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:32,079 goes right to her subconscious rather 1231 01:00:37,290 --> 01:00:35,680 than the conscious dialogue that you 1232 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:37,300 might have of well I really should lose 1233 01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,490 15 pounds because it'll be healthier my 1234 01:00:46,049 --> 01:00:41,200 blood pressure would be better blah blah 1235 01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,059 blah doesn't have the same effect people 1236 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:48,720 who smoke I never seen this commercial 1237 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:51,730 with a little boy you know who drew a 1238 01:00:56,579 --> 01:00:54,250 picture of him and his dad his dad was a 1239 01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,589 smoker and he had emphysema or something 1240 01:01:00,540 --> 01:00:58,720 yeah you know in the little boy gave the 1241 01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:00,550 picture to the dad and said I want you 1242 01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:02,740 to be around so we can do this one day 1243 01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:05,470 you know I'm crying and that's symbolic 1244 01:01:10,530 --> 01:01:08,050 now we're saying yourself I want to do 1245 01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:10,540 something doesn't have the same impact 1246 01:01:18,299 --> 01:01:14,940 as coming up with an object or an image 1247 01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:18,309 that goes straight to the part of the 1248 01:01:26,099 --> 01:01:20,470 brain that really is responsible for the 1249 01:01:30,660 --> 01:01:26,109 change that you so desire yeah what is 1250 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:30,670 there anything that is um more universal 1251 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:34,210 as well maybe less subjective you know 1252 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:36,730 things that like the cross or a Buddha 1253 01:01:50,099 --> 01:01:46,690 or actually absolutely I think they're 1254 01:01:52,859 --> 01:01:50,109 universal symbols that affect and 1255 01:01:55,049 --> 01:01:52,869 influence us subconsciously even if we 1256 01:01:57,930 --> 01:01:55,059 don't ascribe to that particular belief 1257 01:02:01,500 --> 01:01:57,940 system we know what they are they're so 1258 01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:01,510 Universal that we know we get it get the 1259 01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:04,420 cross we get the Jewish you know the 1260 01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:09,520 Star of David we get the flags 1261 01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:11,710 what's my slides have such simple 1262 01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:13,839 symbolism on them because it gets 1263 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:15,910 ingrained in your subconscious the more 1264 01:02:22,829 --> 01:02:18,250 simple assemble is the more memorable it 1265 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:22,839 is we get the cybernaut cease-fire role 1266 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:26,410 we get this we get that it it's 1267 01:02:31,410 --> 01:02:29,170 understood on that deep collective 1268 01:02:32,730 --> 01:02:31,420 unconscious level where it doesn't 1269 01:02:35,340 --> 01:02:32,740 matter what part of the world that 1270 01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:35,350 you're in oh I heard some perfect 1271 01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:39,940 sample a lightsaber okay I don't care if 1272 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:43,060 you're a kid in China or an adult in 1273 01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:43,930 Iceland 1274 01:02:54,140 --> 01:02:48,520 you know what that lightsaber is if it's 1275 01:02:57,330 --> 01:02:54,150 blue and it is it's red it's the back 1276 01:03:01,410 --> 01:02:57,340 that's a perfect example of a universal 1277 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:01,420 symbol back just looking at it you don't 1278 01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:03,970 need anything else to go with it you get 1279 01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:09,130 it you understand I think you know for 1280 01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:12,160 for the millions of Christians obviously 1281 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:15,640 it would be the fraud yeah well you know 1282 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:19,290 for myself I have a couple little 1283 01:03:26,820 --> 01:03:24,250 smiling Buddha statues and right you 1284 01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:26,830 know you know staring at them doesn't 1285 01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:30,220 make me a wonderful person but but it 1286 01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,590 does it make you know sometimes I see 1287 01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:34,240 the smiling and I see you know the 1288 01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:37,980 symbolism of him being full and and and 1289 01:03:40,590 --> 01:03:40,240 that it's like sometimes I'm like oh 1290 01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:40,600 yeah 1291 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:42,070 okay and you just try for that a little 1292 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:44,170 bit more you know and it's a nice 1293 01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:45,970 friendly reminder and for me it's a 1294 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:49,510 joyful more joyful reminder you know I 1295 01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,450 was raised Catholic and I know a lot of 1296 01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:54,160 people are Christian so it I ask that 1297 01:03:58,830 --> 01:03:55,960 you don't take offense to this because I 1298 01:04:03,780 --> 01:03:58,840 mean them you know but you know seeing a 1299 01:04:05,790 --> 01:04:03,790 man suffering on the cross for all it's 1300 01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:05,800 worth and I understand that I really do 1301 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:08,950 it as a symbol it doesn't have an 1302 01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:12,970 uplifting effect on me and everybody is 1303 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:16,360 different so that that's just me I I see 1304 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:18,250 a symbol you know that I have I keep 1305 01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:21,370 around me that reminds me of something 1306 01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:28,890 symbolize that but that's just not how I 1307 01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:31,660 feel it do you know no exactly and I 1308 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:34,270 think you have to you have to have an 1309 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:37,930 affinity with belief for some suppose to 1310 01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:40,690 work for you for you know a perfect 1311 01:04:47,010 --> 01:04:43,360 example of how powerful symbols are is 1312 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:47,020 in logos and so the apple of you know 1313 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:49,090 mask computers 1314 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:50,770 you see that doesn't matter where you 1315 01:04:56,790 --> 01:04:52,450 are in the world if you're familiar with 1316 01:04:58,530 --> 01:04:56,800 computers and no one that means the Nike 1317 01:05:00,840 --> 01:04:58,540 is it just do it 1318 01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:00,850 you know the check mark that's why those 1319 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:04,240 logos are so it's so important that 1320 01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:06,850 these companies get the logo or the 1321 01:05:13,530 --> 01:05:10,480 symbol just so just perfectly right so 1322 01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:13,540 that it's purple no matter where you are 1323 01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:14,950 in the world and I know what that means 1324 01:05:20,220 --> 01:05:17,320 you're gonna know what the golden arches 1325 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:20,230 stand for oh that's McDonald I can get a 1326 01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:23,530 burger I think we did that personally 1327 01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:26,800 with certain things little you know 1328 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:30,540 knickknacks or or symbols or images or 1329 01:05:39,660 --> 01:05:33,970 whatever I mean it can be a painting it 1330 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:39,670 can be a candle or anything that kind of 1331 01:05:45,420 --> 01:05:42,010 cuts through the conscious chatter and 1332 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:45,430 affects you subconsciously and makes you 1333 01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:47,620 feel empowered it makes you feel good I 1334 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:51,160 mean r- some too so there are personal 1335 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:53,890 symbols Universal symbols sometimes 1336 01:06:00,570 --> 01:05:56,170 they're the same and sometimes they're 1337 01:06:03,090 --> 01:06:00,580 not you know and why is that when we sit 1338 01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,100 in front of a fire or you know have the 1339 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:05,920 candle going in the dark what why does 1340 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:08,410 it have such a universal effect on 1341 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:12,730 nonhumans it's light it kind of takes us 1342 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:17,170 back to primitive human when fire really 1343 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:21,010 you know kind of saved us he kept us 1344 01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:25,450 alive and allowed us to thrive and you 1345 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:28,240 know candle in the dark it's the symbol 1346 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:30,610 of life breaking through the darkness 1347 01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:34,570 and illuminating the shadows and so we 1348 01:06:41,010 --> 01:06:38,320 might just think it's pretty I mean I 1349 01:06:42,810 --> 01:06:41,020 was a kid I grew up in New York and it 1350 01:06:45,390 --> 01:06:42,820 would snow and then people would put 1351 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:45,400 their Christmas lights up and the Jeff 1352 01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:49,210 scene of the function like in snow would 1353 01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:51,670 I would just be dad and it was like a 1354 01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:54,070 religious experience listen to be 1355 01:06:58,290 --> 01:06:55,480 attentive method 1356 01:07:01,890 --> 01:06:58,300 yeah the reflection of this light in 1357 01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:01,900 this magical time and we thrust upon 1358 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:02,680 this way 1359 01:07:09,450 --> 01:07:06,370 love this but don't feed this part of 1360 01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:09,460 ourselves meth because we're very 1361 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:14,230 distracted by television TV and news and 1362 01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:16,210 social networking of the work we have to 1363 01:07:22,290 --> 01:07:20,110 do that we don't often slow down long 1364 01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,300 enough to smell that beautiful rose I 1365 01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:24,160 mean that's a great you know stop it's 1366 01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:26,910 not Elizabeth house in longest that 1367 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:29,680 you're missing the finer points of life 1368 01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:32,770 that could actually be making you happy 1369 01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:34,510 and smile throughout the day because 1370 01:07:39,540 --> 01:07:36,310 you're so busy busy busy 1371 01:07:44,430 --> 01:07:39,550 so the symbols remind us to get grounded 1372 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:44,440 in m8s but we really are sometimes well 1373 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:45,850 the minute certainly explains the 1374 01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:51,490 attraction to having lights and most of 1375 01:08:07,040 --> 01:07:53,200 us you know we we get hooked by the 1376 01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:10,020 yes for a lot for love but I think a lot 1377 01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:12,730 of them they like to do it and some 1378 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:15,220 actually get compared doing it and I 1379 01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:18,810 think that maybe what we're missing is 1380 01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:21,820 the intellectualizing or conceptualizing 1381 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:26,110 of why we like it like you said because 1382 01:08:34,250 --> 01:08:30,010 I think we were attracted to it we have 1383 01:08:36,060 --> 01:08:34,260 a like a you know a visceral experience 1384 01:08:38,310 --> 01:08:36,070 yeah 1385 01:08:40,290 --> 01:08:38,320 but we don't understand why that is so I 1386 01:08:42,930 --> 01:08:40,300 mean you know you can have very angry 1387 01:08:45,210 --> 01:08:42,940 people putting up Christmas lights and 1388 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:45,220 because there's a part of the peels to a 1389 01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:46,930 part of themselves with it but they're 1390 01:08:55,250 --> 01:08:49,420 not really recognizing that that's or 1391 01:09:00,890 --> 01:08:55,260 they're denying and I think we for all 1392 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:00,900 didn't being which goes outside and 1393 01:09:08,180 --> 01:09:04,690 never look up at the sky full of stars 1394 01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:08,190 you know we're so tunnel vision with 1395 01:09:13,350 --> 01:09:10,900 distractions and I think people putting 1396 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:13,360 up Christmas lights angry are totally 1397 01:09:16,499 --> 01:09:14,530 missing the point 1398 01:09:19,049 --> 01:09:16,509 that mad still all 1399 01:09:21,569 --> 01:09:19,059 they sell as a kid the first time they 1400 01:09:24,269 --> 01:09:21,579 saw the house lit up or drove around the 1401 01:09:27,059 --> 01:09:24,279 neighborhood and we don't have room for 1402 01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:27,069 off anymore because now we're grownups 1403 01:09:32,370 --> 01:09:28,630 and we have more important things to 1404 01:09:36,299 --> 01:09:32,380 focus on but we can talk about 1405 01:09:39,089 --> 01:09:36,309 archetypes week cutoff the child the 1406 01:09:41,549 --> 01:09:39,099 innocent you know that the magical 1407 01:09:44,819 --> 01:09:41,559 aspects of ourselves that made life so 1408 01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,829 fun and exciting as a kid sure we have 1409 01:09:48,629 --> 01:09:46,719 to grow up but there's no reason why we 1410 01:09:52,019 --> 01:09:48,639 can't see and feel that magic anymore 1411 01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:52,029 the world has not changed you know we 1412 01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:05,709 Oh Maria yeah I lost you there for a 1413 01:10:10,330 --> 01:10:08,840 moment can you can you just go back why 1414 01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:10,340 I was just saying you know when we grow 1415 01:10:16,839 --> 01:10:14,329 up we have a tendency to not stop when 1416 01:10:19,979 --> 01:10:16,849 I'm asked to to be awed by anything 1417 01:10:22,629 --> 01:10:19,989 we're so focused on the trivial 1418 01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:22,639 trivialities of life and how distracted 1419 01:10:27,819 --> 01:10:25,579 we are but the thing is is that those 1420 01:10:29,770 --> 01:10:27,829 are inspiring things are still there 1421 01:10:33,609 --> 01:10:29,780 we're the ones that are change the world 1422 01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:33,619 is so nature is still absolutely amazing 1423 01:10:39,879 --> 01:10:37,520 and mind-blowing but we have stopped 1424 01:10:42,089 --> 01:10:39,889 going out solid we stopped looking at 1425 01:10:44,740 --> 01:10:42,099 the sky we stopped looking at the stars 1426 01:10:47,859 --> 01:10:44,750 going to the beach and just gazing out 1427 01:10:49,629 --> 01:10:47,869 at the ocean some people do but most of 1428 01:10:52,629 --> 01:10:49,639 us think come on I have important things 1429 01:10:53,770 --> 01:10:52,639 did you nail well I grew up near the 1430 01:10:56,020 --> 01:10:53,780 shore and that is one thing I definitely 1431 01:10:58,419 --> 01:10:56,030 miss doing is no matter what kind of day 1432 01:10:59,979 --> 01:10:58,429 you had you can just go to the beach at 1433 01:11:02,260 --> 01:10:59,989 nighttime or at the end of the day and 1434 01:11:03,790 --> 01:11:02,270 just just be there by yourself for a 1435 01:11:08,770 --> 01:11:03,800 little bit and get the sound of the 1436 01:11:10,180 --> 01:11:08,780 ocean the breeze the stars you know even 1437 01:11:17,819 --> 01:11:10,190 if you're not a meditator that was a 1438 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:21,819 remind you how big the universe was and 1439 01:11:26,919 --> 01:11:24,770 how small your problems were you know 1440 01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:26,929 you look at the mighty sky or the ocean 1441 01:11:38,979 --> 01:11:33,920 I think really well I mean that and that 1442 01:11:41,370 --> 01:11:38,989 brings one to a place of humility and 1443 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:41,380 gratitude and I think those two things 1444 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:45,530 when you when you feel them deeply in 1445 01:11:52,780 --> 01:11:49,010 your heart it has quite the profound 1446 01:11:59,290 --> 01:11:52,790 effect on how you see the world and how 1447 01:12:02,050 --> 01:11:59,300 you see it and I think what we're seeing 1448 01:12:04,930 --> 01:12:02,060 a lot of nowadays is that there's a 1449 01:12:08,140 --> 01:12:04,940 divide between the people that are 1450 01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:08,150 capable and being grateful and people 1451 01:12:11,979 --> 01:12:09,940 that are so miserable they're just 1452 01:12:13,180 --> 01:12:11,989 complaining about anything and 1453 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:13,190 everything 1454 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:16,370 and not see all that there is to be 1455 01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:18,770 grateful for it I see that divide 1456 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:22,430 growing and sometimes you know you have 1457 01:12:27,790 --> 01:12:24,770 to you have to really make effort to 1458 01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:27,800 step away from the negative side and say 1459 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:30,050 okay you know what my life is pretty 1460 01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:33,530 good I why I do have a lot of stuff to 1461 01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:36,110 be great before and I think it's 1462 01:12:41,950 --> 01:12:37,760 becoming harder and harder for a lot of 1463 01:12:45,130 --> 01:12:41,960 people to break away from this loud you 1464 01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:45,140 know the rest of the world that is sort 1465 01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:46,640 of screaming and yelling at each other 1466 01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:48,910 and pointing the finger of blame and 1467 01:12:54,580 --> 01:12:51,580 complaining and whining and moaning and 1468 01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:54,590 sort of jump out of that and just look 1469 01:12:59,650 --> 01:12:57,770 around and go you know wow I have a 1470 01:13:01,690 --> 01:12:59,660 whole different perspective now to look 1471 01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:01,700 at the world from and it's it's 1472 01:13:09,310 --> 01:13:03,890 different and then I think the world 1473 01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:09,320 starts to reflect that as I mentioned 1474 01:13:14,260 --> 01:13:11,510 earlier you know I had you know changed 1475 01:13:16,990 --> 01:13:14,270 careers at one point and I was going 1476 01:13:18,970 --> 01:13:17,000 through that period and you know for 1477 01:13:23,770 --> 01:13:18,980 time I was I felt like oh god I'm so 1478 01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:23,780 stuck in this this crap and then I went 1479 01:13:29,410 --> 01:13:26,780 there period of mmm I'm gonna get out of 1480 01:13:30,730 --> 01:13:29,420 this I'm just gonna get out of this I 1481 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:30,740 don't know how I'm gonna get out of it 1482 01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:32,690 and I just kept thinking that and I told 1483 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:35,330 people I spoke it out loud you know I 1484 01:13:38,620 --> 01:13:36,890 said it's a friends I said it the family 1485 01:13:40,330 --> 01:13:38,630 I said it's a co-workers I'm gonna get 1486 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:40,340 out of this you know and I started 1487 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:42,050 looking for jobs and different things 1488 01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:46,010 and then literally out of the blue just 1489 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:48,070 this this opportunity fell into my lap 1490 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:49,970 you know and there was something 1491 01:13:54,670 --> 01:13:52,970 completely unrelated you know because in 1492 01:13:57,790 --> 01:13:54,680 my mind I I really I was at a point 1493 01:13:59,500 --> 01:13:57,800 where I don't care what I do exactly you 1494 01:14:02,720 --> 01:13:59,510 know I have some ideas yeah I just got 1495 01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:02,730 to get out of this so I'm just going to 1496 01:14:14,140 --> 01:14:11,250 think I hit my my employment bottom and 1497 01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:14,150 you know it this radical change occurred 1498 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:15,710 and it wasn't anything that I had 1499 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:16,250 expected 1500 01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:19,010 and the only thing I could it's you know 1501 01:14:22,750 --> 01:14:21,260 kind of gives me you know goose bumps 1502 01:14:24,820 --> 01:14:22,760 because it couldn't the only thing I can 1503 01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:24,830 attribute it to is this change of 1504 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:26,250 mindset 1505 01:14:30,930 --> 01:14:28,810 that caused this to happen because 1506 01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:30,940 because it was after I had changed my 1507 01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:33,550 mindset that this sort of you know magic 1508 01:14:39,899 --> 01:14:37,510 and intervention occurred so whether 1509 01:14:42,180 --> 01:14:39,909 that you know was a law of attraction 1510 01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:42,190 sort of an event I don't know but that's 1511 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:44,980 that's what it felt like I've had that 1512 01:14:54,860 --> 01:14:46,690 happen to me and I think that is the 1513 01:14:58,260 --> 01:14:54,870 secret that is the ultimate the thoughts 1514 01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,270 he started safe reaction because the 1515 01:15:03,149 --> 01:15:00,400 more of those thoughts you're thinking 1516 01:15:13,260 --> 01:15:03,159 the more your subconscious really begin 1517 01:15:17,939 --> 01:15:13,270 to change the brief so anytime I think 1518 01:15:20,430 --> 01:15:17,949 that we admit to ourselves I want to 1519 01:15:23,370 --> 01:15:20,440 change that opens the door a little and 1520 01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:23,380 then from there you know just being 1521 01:15:31,169 --> 01:15:27,390 around you and like you said sometimes 1522 01:15:34,169 --> 01:15:31,179 nobody expected that seems to happen a 1523 01:15:38,669 --> 01:15:34,179 lot so makes me wonder if often we are 1524 01:15:40,979 --> 01:15:38,679 so stuck on the change that we think we 1525 01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:40,989 want coming in particular it has to be 1526 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:44,260 this way it has to be that job has to 1527 01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:47,530 make that person that even and hurting 1528 01:15:52,110 --> 01:15:49,900 us and we're close their self talk to 1529 01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:52,120 all these other possibilities for 1530 01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:54,449 something that might even be better 1531 01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:58,080 Doug we think we know what's best for us 1532 01:16:04,110 --> 01:16:01,679 but we don't have the bigger perspective 1533 01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:04,120 we don't know everything that's out 1534 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:12,880 there so let's out there and they've had 1535 01:16:20,189 --> 01:16:15,250 that opportunity I think to speak and 1536 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:20,199 show up right so it's I guess what I 1537 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:23,770 take away from that is to not be so 1538 01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:27,610 hyper selective you know the law of 1539 01:16:35,459 --> 01:16:31,390 attraction or you know intention 1540 01:16:38,820 --> 01:16:35,469 whatever it may be you know the universe 1541 01:16:39,610 --> 01:16:38,830 is extraordinarily complex and there's a 1542 01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,620 lot of people 1543 01:16:46,030 --> 01:16:41,120 there with a lot of different desires 1544 01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:46,040 and Will's so my takeaway is I can't 1545 01:16:52,030 --> 01:16:48,530 just say I won this specific position at 1546 01:16:53,770 --> 01:16:52,040 this specific job or I need a specific 1547 01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:53,780 amount of money for this specific thing 1548 01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:55,760 it's like I'm I'm beating my head 1549 01:16:59,740 --> 01:16:57,410 against the wall it's not it's just 1550 01:17:02,770 --> 01:16:59,750 thinking like that does not allow the 1551 01:17:05,380 --> 01:17:02,780 flow of the universe to work in your 1552 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:05,390 favor of something better because what 1553 01:17:10,870 --> 01:17:08,090 if you said I did that job that job and 1554 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:10,880 then you've got it and you know somebody 1555 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:12,650 at that job ended up stopping you and 1556 01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:16,850 murdering you silly but we don't know 1557 01:17:21,670 --> 01:17:19,280 you know I want that person but that 1558 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:21,680 person could be the world for you maybe 1559 01:17:25,870 --> 01:17:25,130 this person over here you know is the 1560 01:17:28,530 --> 01:17:25,880 love of your life 1561 01:17:32,770 --> 01:17:28,540 we're so limited and what we think 1562 01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:32,780 things should look like and so even when 1563 01:17:36,340 --> 01:17:34,940 when you were using you know 1564 01:17:39,340 --> 01:17:36,350 affirmations are a law of attraction 1565 01:17:41,950 --> 01:17:39,350 we're submitting ourselves by saying I 1566 01:17:45,310 --> 01:17:41,960 need I'm going to make hundred thousand 1567 01:17:47,230 --> 01:17:45,320 dollars as a writer well what if the 1568 01:17:50,530 --> 01:17:47,240 universe is gonna give me a million 1569 01:17:54,340 --> 01:17:50,540 dollars you know it's another wonderful 1570 01:17:58,720 --> 01:17:54,350 way what am I going to say know the kind 1571 01:18:02,200 --> 01:17:58,730 of knowing what you want but not exist 1572 01:18:04,420 --> 01:18:02,210 is perfect that you limit the 1573 01:18:06,670 --> 01:18:04,430 possibility of it having happening in 1574 01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:06,680 another way that you had thought of that 1575 01:18:11,620 --> 01:18:09,440 was hard for me to and I still have to 1576 01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:11,630 correct myself you know when I said 1577 01:18:18,430 --> 01:18:14,000 attentions and bowls which I'm always 1578 01:18:21,610 --> 01:18:18,440 doing okay so specific morning that's 1579 01:18:23,170 --> 01:18:21,620 not a typical day I have to have this 1580 01:18:25,150 --> 01:18:23,180 particular book deal with this 1581 01:18:27,850 --> 01:18:25,160 particular publisher well what if they 1582 01:18:30,910 --> 01:18:27,860 end up being miserable to work with you 1583 01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:30,920 know how about reframing or rephrasing 1584 01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:34,820 that goal is something that kind of 1585 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:37,310 opens the door for some better things to 1586 01:18:44,190 --> 01:18:40,370 pop up and like you said they do they 1587 01:18:48,020 --> 01:18:46,210 can you bring the microphone just a 1588 01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:48,030 little bit closer 1589 01:18:54,650 --> 01:18:50,520 sure how's that yes that's better okay 1590 01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,660 great okay so you know the of all the 1591 01:19:02,300 --> 01:18:56,880 great you know mythological stories out 1592 01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:02,310 there and I think they do actually have 1593 01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,280 an effect on how you see the world and 1594 01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:08,400 how you see yourself but I love all of 1595 01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:09,960 them the great stories out there what 1596 01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:12,750 are some of your favorite stories that I 1597 01:19:18,110 --> 01:19:14,460 don't know maybe inspirational is not 1598 01:19:21,020 --> 01:19:18,120 the best word but the help effect to 1599 01:19:24,260 --> 01:19:21,030 change if not in others but maybe has 1600 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:24,270 affected to you personally well I 1601 01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:27,690 I love the the Joseph Campbell's motif 1602 01:19:32,570 --> 01:19:30,540 of the hero's journey which takes 1603 01:19:35,390 --> 01:19:32,580 everybody's heard of and it's just 1604 01:19:38,540 --> 01:19:35,400 symbolic of kind of what we go through 1605 01:19:42,650 --> 01:19:38,550 in life we start out and see innocent 1606 01:19:44,450 --> 01:19:42,660 initia is then called to action to go on 1607 01:19:46,970 --> 01:19:44,460 some journey of you know that's going to 1608 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:46,980 lead to our becoming a hero in our own 1609 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:48,570 lives so maybe going through a great 1610 01:19:56,270 --> 01:19:51,210 transformation we all go through this 1611 01:19:58,700 --> 01:19:56,280 and we go through the the dark abyss and 1612 01:20:00,710 --> 01:19:58,710 we think that we're failures and then we 1613 01:20:02,330 --> 01:20:00,720 finally succeed and we go home and we're 1614 01:20:04,940 --> 01:20:02,340 heroes okay that's the hero's journey 1615 01:20:08,210 --> 01:20:04,950 basically in a nutshell so I love 1616 01:20:09,550 --> 01:20:08,220 stories that takes that blue cheese and 1617 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:09,560 tell it differently 1618 01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,010 of course one Davis's Star Wars the 1619 01:20:18,740 --> 01:20:16,080 original New Hope the first one that 1620 01:20:21,770 --> 01:20:18,750 came out because Luke Skywalker took 1621 01:20:24,490 --> 01:20:21,780 that hero's journey in such a visible 1622 01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:24,500 viable way that y'all got it we all 1623 01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:28,080 totally related to him you know starting 1624 01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:30,600 off with tragedy but thanks you me 1625 01:20:35,150 --> 01:20:33,090 served as the impetus for for him to cut 1626 01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:35,160 a break out of his sinister little shell 1627 01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:38,760 and go forward and be a Jedi and there 1628 01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:40,980 are a million stories like that and I 1629 01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:43,140 think when you watch TV when you read 1630 01:20:50,660 --> 01:20:47,760 novels way being watch a great movie you 1631 01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:50,670 like that journey whether it's a Western 1632 01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:54,510 or a sci-fi or romantic comedy and those 1633 01:20:58,760 --> 01:20:58,080 tend to be the things that we enjoy the 1634 01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,770 most 1635 01:21:02,150 --> 01:21:00,560 I mean it can even be you know 1636 01:21:08,330 --> 01:21:02,160 Cinderella 1637 01:21:12,860 --> 01:21:08,340 whatever Oh a stern ajahn - and I love 1638 01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:12,870 and and I have always understood how 1639 01:21:19,550 --> 01:21:16,850 important story is to humanity to the 1640 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:19,560 evolution of humanity to the healing of 1641 01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:21,890 humanity to the growth of humanity 1642 01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:27,360 without only the story is symbolic story 1643 01:21:34,010 --> 01:21:31,110 feeds the subconscious and it satisfies 1644 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:34,020 the subconscious because its story is 1645 01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,570 filled with symbols when we take that 1646 01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:38,400 away and we just like this want 1647 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:41,820 technology or you know things that also 1648 01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:44,610 is external and that don't really appeal 1649 01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:47,490 any any bit below our conscious 1650 01:21:51,650 --> 01:21:50,130 awareness I think we suffer for it we 1651 01:21:56,570 --> 01:21:51,660 suffer for it individually and 1652 01:21:58,610 --> 01:21:56,580 collectively so gosh you know when I was 1653 01:22:01,070 --> 01:21:58,620 a kid I loved Carl Sandburg in a book 1654 01:22:05,540 --> 01:22:01,080 called rutabaga till it was still with 1655 01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:05,550 this magical magical stories so full of 1656 01:22:11,060 --> 01:22:08,840 symbols and a lot of it was very 1657 01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:11,070 associated with the Midwest which is 1658 01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:11,910 where he grew up 1659 01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,250 but but it was just you know that book 1660 01:22:19,070 --> 01:22:16,320 has stayed with me all my life why 1661 01:22:23,780 --> 01:22:19,080 because of the symbolic imagery the 1662 01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:23,790 story this so affects me I couldn't tell 1663 01:22:28,190 --> 01:22:25,410 you what half of them more about that I 1664 01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,200 remember the symbolism I think the Bible 1665 01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:30,900 I am NOT a Christian but I've read the 1666 01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:31,440 Bible 1667 01:22:36,230 --> 01:22:33,510 a million times that I've written about 1668 01:22:38,690 --> 01:22:36,240 it and it is filled with imagery that 1669 01:22:42,260 --> 01:22:38,700 stays where you get thanks to this 1670 01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:42,270 composite unfortunately many of the 1671 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:45,360 people who follow this tradition take 1672 01:22:50,660 --> 01:22:48,090 too literally and that can go for any 1673 01:22:53,660 --> 01:22:50,670 religious writing or text they're filled 1674 01:22:56,900 --> 01:22:53,670 with symbols because of the peanut rows 1675 01:23:00,680 --> 01:22:56,910 of them whoever they were understood 1676 01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:00,690 that mr. Minister conscious responds 1677 01:23:06,710 --> 01:23:04,500 more to parable to allegory to you know 1678 01:23:09,740 --> 01:23:06,720 symbolic storytelling than it does to 1679 01:23:18,370 --> 01:23:09,750 fact statistics numbers and and you know 1680 01:23:23,210 --> 01:23:20,630 which I thought it was going to hate and 1681 01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:23,220 I ended up absolutely loving it because 1682 01:23:30,910 --> 01:23:26,640 of the archetypal Game of Thrones okay 1683 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:30,920 the TV series yeah and and I love 1684 01:23:37,220 --> 01:23:35,010 television series that have characters 1685 01:23:39,260 --> 01:23:37,230 that are set archetypal that you will 1686 01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:39,270 visit with them week after week after 1687 01:23:44,740 --> 01:23:41,640 week year after year you know whether 1688 01:23:48,860 --> 01:23:44,750 you're a fan of The Walking Dead or 1689 01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:48,870 scuse me a sitcom you know there are a 1690 01:23:53,180 --> 01:23:50,730 lot of sitcoms that I love because the 1691 01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:53,190 characters represent something I can 1692 01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:58,770 relate to only reversal level right like 1693 01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:00,960 being a you know queen of the Dragons 1694 01:24:12,490 --> 01:24:03,120 something I can relate to that anything 1695 01:24:15,980 --> 01:24:12,500 or you know a mom struggling yeah baby 1696 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:15,990 dragons drugs I'm thinking well I can 1697 01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:18,930 relate to to Danny and on some levels 1698 01:24:27,620 --> 01:24:25,910 it really we latch on to these 1699 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:27,630 characters even the ones that we hate 1700 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:29,970 the villains and the anti girls and the 1701 01:24:35,450 --> 01:24:32,610 bad guys because we know that there's a 1702 01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:35,460 part of us that gets that and they're 1703 01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,050 that you know it speaks to the shadow 1704 01:24:41,570 --> 01:24:39,600 side of us and we understand it and we 1705 01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:41,580 know that the hero can't really shine 1706 01:24:51,230 --> 01:24:43,980 unless the villain is really challenging 1707 01:24:52,970 --> 01:24:51,240 the hero I was just gonna say I think 1708 01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:52,980 Tyrion Lannister's is one of the most 1709 01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:58,560 universal characters on there I am left 1710 01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:01,080 off in season three so I'm Way behind 1711 01:25:10,220 --> 01:25:06,450 everybody but but he he seems to be set 1712 01:25:13,460 --> 01:25:10,230 up as a character that you know tries to 1713 01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:13,470 be morally ambiguous but it fails at it 1714 01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:17,040 and and ya know as it has a good heart 1715 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:20,640 in the end and I think I think ya can 1716 01:25:26,030 --> 01:25:23,850 relate to this character well it's funny 1717 01:25:27,950 --> 01:25:26,040 when I first started marching my sons 1718 01:25:29,900 --> 01:25:27,960 and these every character and I said 1719 01:25:30,140 --> 01:25:29,910 well Jon Snow I mean these gorgeous come 1720 01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:30,150 on 1721 01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:33,600 but you know that over time I said oh my 1722 01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:36,300 god I love Terry and I love him I love 1723 01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:40,080 it and and you know as this Joe a boss 1724 01:25:44,210 --> 01:25:42,690 and I won't spoil it for you watching 1725 01:25:46,730 --> 01:25:44,220 these characters in Bello 1726 01:25:50,180 --> 01:25:46,740 a lot of times you feel like oh my god 1727 01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:50,190 that's my journey how they deal with 1728 01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:52,380 their parents and the dynamics they have 1729 01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:55,350 with siblings and you know being being 1730 01:25:59,120 --> 01:25:57,450 betrayed by sons and romantic 1731 01:26:00,650 --> 01:25:59,130 relationships and blah blah blah 1732 01:26:04,570 --> 01:26:00,660 thank you know where I take out the 1733 01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:04,580 swords and the nightwalkers and and 1734 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:08,370 happens in modern times and it is still 1735 01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:10,890 just as relatable to politics the 1736 01:26:15,980 --> 01:26:13,620 religion the power the breed the 1737 01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:15,990 betrayal the love the sex you name it 1738 01:26:21,620 --> 01:26:20,310 it's it's universally understood ok well 1739 01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:21,630 let's hold it right there we've come up 1740 01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:23,310 to the third and final break this is 1741 01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:25,500 Alan B Smith for paranormal now on the 1742 01:26:29,300 --> 01:26:27,390 inception radio network my guest is 1743 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:29,310 Murray D Jones author of the power of 1744 01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:29,850 archetypes 1745 01:26:34,130 --> 01:26:32,330 and if you ever want to follow 1746 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:34,140 paranormal now and get some more 1747 01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:37,290 information updates go to at paranormal 1748 01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:40,170 now an Instagram or at paranormal now 1749 01:26:53,950 --> 01:26:51,360 [Music] 1750 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:53,960 welcome back to paranormal now that was 1751 01:26:58,660 --> 01:26:56,570 Makaha by the co-creator boys from 1752 01:27:02,530 --> 01:26:58,670 Hawaii I'm still going strong with the 1753 01:27:04,510 --> 01:27:02,540 island Hawaiian heat hot summer sound 1754 01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,520 music I don't know when it's gonna cool 1755 01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:06,560 down here but I hope so soon I'm 1756 01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:10,370 speaking with Marie Jones author of the 1757 01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:12,770 power of archetypes and Marie I wanted 1758 01:27:20,410 --> 01:27:16,400 to ask you you know from a more 1759 01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:20,420 spiritual spiritual / supernatural 1760 01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:24,170 perspective how do you approach this 1761 01:27:29,140 --> 01:27:25,610 work because much of what we talked 1762 01:27:31,470 --> 01:27:29,150 about you know you could apply to to 1763 01:27:33,610 --> 01:27:31,480 anyone being an atheist as well right 1764 01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,620 but where does the other sort of 1765 01:27:40,930 --> 01:27:35,840 metaphysical side of this come into play 1766 01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:40,940 I think it comes into play where we 1767 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:43,760 begin to look at the fact that mind and 1768 01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:45,530 consciousness made up of different 1769 01:27:52,570 --> 01:27:50,510 levels and the collective unconscious 1770 01:27:56,290 --> 01:27:52,580 which is the world where archetypes 1771 01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:56,300 exist can almost be looked at as in the 1772 01:28:01,930 --> 01:27:58,610 same quantum physics the zero-point 1773 01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:01,940 field or in the Bible the Kingdom of 1774 01:28:09,580 --> 01:28:06,910 Heaven this sort of grounded unified 1775 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:09,590 fundamental field that connects 1776 01:28:14,830 --> 01:28:11,930 everything to everything else in all of 1777 01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:14,840 us to each other and Carl Jung was a 1778 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:17,890 firm believer in that collective field 1779 01:28:24,250 --> 01:28:20,810 so when he you know sort of developed 1780 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:24,260 the archetypes for his for purpose of 1781 01:28:30,610 --> 01:28:27,410 psychoanalysis what he was saying was 1782 01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:30,620 that there's information in this field 1783 01:28:37,930 --> 01:28:33,650 that we can all tap into and we all 1784 01:28:40,090 --> 01:28:37,940 understand it may not present itself and 1785 01:28:42,700 --> 01:28:40,100 the way that the conscious mind they 1786 01:28:44,650 --> 01:28:42,710 only understand it and what I love about 1787 01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:44,660 the paranormal is that there are so many 1788 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:48,490 experiences that people have such as 1789 01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:51,170 precognitive dreams or visions of the 1790 01:28:56,440 --> 01:28:53,930 future or past life recall remote 1791 01:29:00,430 --> 01:28:56,450 viewing if any kind of psychic ability 1792 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:00,440 is it possible that these people are 1793 01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,010 arranged 1794 01:29:06,490 --> 01:29:03,440 - and tapping into an accessing this 1795 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:06,500 very same collective field where there's 1796 01:29:12,060 --> 01:29:08,090 all this information floating around 1797 01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:12,070 past present and future and its its 1798 01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:15,410 operating in a way that is not really 1799 01:29:23,740 --> 01:29:21,440 understood by the conscious mind it's 1800 01:29:26,170 --> 01:29:23,750 not understood by the consciousness of 1801 01:29:30,010 --> 01:29:26,180 mind but can the consciousness mind be 1802 01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,020 aware of it oh absolutely I mean I think 1803 01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:32,239 we're aware of a lot of unusual things 1804 01:29:39,490 --> 01:29:36,610 that go on and relies in the world 1805 01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:39,500 experiences that we might call super 1806 01:29:46,150 --> 01:29:43,880 natural or metaphysical beyond physical 1807 01:29:51,550 --> 01:29:46,160 you know the physical or description or 1808 01:29:54,250 --> 01:29:51,560 the laws of physics para normal and I 1809 01:29:57,010 --> 01:29:54,260 think that all of that ties into the 1810 01:30:03,370 --> 01:29:57,020 serves hidden implicit invisible field 1811 01:30:06,330 --> 01:30:03,380 of connectivity that we get we sort of 1812 01:30:09,340 --> 01:30:06,340 connect through through the subconscious 1813 01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:09,350 even though consciously we might see an 1814 01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:11,810 apparition or you know have some kind of 1815 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:16,370 experience we can tangibly point to we 1816 01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:17,930 don't know how to explain it without 1817 01:30:22,630 --> 01:30:20,480 going further into these deeper levels 1818 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:22,640 of the mind deeper levels of 1819 01:30:29,229 --> 01:30:25,850 consciousness how is it that I can 1820 01:30:31,420 --> 01:30:29,239 Remote View location 500 miles away and 1821 01:30:33,790 --> 01:30:31,430 tell you what the color shirt the person 1822 01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:33,800 is wear without tapping into this 1823 01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:38,210 collective field how can I have a dream 1824 01:30:44,170 --> 01:30:41,570 about getting in a car crash at this 1825 01:30:47,050 --> 01:30:44,180 particular intersection you know and 1826 01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:47,060 then three weeks later boom it's and 1827 01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:50,450 it's the same color car that hit me in 1828 01:30:54,460 --> 01:30:52,489 the dream those kinds of experiences 1829 01:30:58,910 --> 01:30:54,470 that we have that we just can't quite 1830 01:31:05,870 --> 01:31:01,250 um I think another good example that 1831 01:31:08,020 --> 01:31:05,880 would be near-death experiences or you 1832 01:31:09,979 --> 01:31:08,030 know particularly under controlled 1833 01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:09,989 environments and hospitals where they've 1834 01:31:17,150 --> 01:31:14,100 done these studies and someone can make 1835 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:17,160 can describe other people in the room or 1836 01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:23,610 even outside of the room so right but 1837 01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:29,040 how do we use that that you know a 1838 01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:31,860 classic record or whatever whatever that 1839 01:31:36,580 --> 01:31:34,110 might be some refer to it as the field 1840 01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:36,590 you know the holographic information 1841 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:40,080 alright you know how do we make use of 1842 01:31:46,419 --> 01:31:42,650 that to make ourselves better people 1843 01:31:51,050 --> 01:31:46,429 well I think first of all we have to 1844 01:31:53,570 --> 01:31:51,060 realize that we've got--we've most of us 1845 01:31:55,490 --> 01:31:53,580 in live our lives never addressing all 1846 01:31:58,490 --> 01:31:55,500 of the programming in our subconscious 1847 01:32:01,520 --> 01:31:58,500 let alone how powerful it is and we 1848 01:32:03,770 --> 01:32:01,530 don't look at things like the collective 1849 01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:03,780 this field collective unconscious 1850 01:32:08,919 --> 01:32:05,250 whatever name you want to give it 1851 01:32:11,660 --> 01:32:08,929 because we're way too distracted by 1852 01:32:15,020 --> 01:32:11,670 what's right in front of us by what our 1853 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:15,030 five senses are experiencing and I think 1854 01:32:21,169 --> 01:32:17,850 that it would clear up a lot of the 1855 01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:21,179 political and religious problems of the 1856 01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:23,730 world if we realize that down at the 1857 01:32:28,939 --> 01:32:25,770 most foundational level of existence 1858 01:32:31,820 --> 01:32:28,949 we're all connected so what happens to 1859 01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:31,830 me affects you and what you do to him 1860 01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:34,800 influences her I mean to understand that 1861 01:32:42,770 --> 01:32:38,280 there's that connectivity we all bought 1862 01:32:45,020 --> 01:32:42,780 that comfort might our behavior be how 1863 01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:45,030 would we really be killing each other 1864 01:32:50,209 --> 01:32:48,030 and going to war but you know the world 1865 01:32:54,290 --> 01:32:50,219 isn't shaped that way the world is 1866 01:32:56,930 --> 01:32:54,300 shaped to keep us distracted so that 1867 01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:56,940 greed and power can be the status quo 1868 01:33:02,240 --> 01:32:59,760 and that's really sad but I think if 1869 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:02,250 enough individuals begin to open their 1870 01:33:07,580 --> 01:33:05,250 minds enough to realize it you know what 1871 01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:07,590 you see and what you experience right in 1872 01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:10,530 front of you that's nothing compared to 1873 01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:12,760 the different levels and layers 1874 01:33:18,060 --> 01:33:16,480 of realities that your serve normed in 1875 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:18,070 mind or just cutting out of your 1876 01:33:25,259 --> 01:33:21,130 experience because your focus is so 1877 01:33:27,450 --> 01:33:25,269 laser thin you have tunnel vision and so 1878 01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:27,460 when we start to look at symbolic 1879 01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:29,679 language of the subconscious and 1880 01:33:36,209 --> 01:33:33,250 archetypes and why does that you know 1881 01:33:39,390 --> 01:33:36,219 beautiful statue of fact amis so make me 1882 01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:39,400 so emotional when we start to speak the 1883 01:33:44,609 --> 01:33:41,440 language of those other levels of the 1884 01:33:46,979 --> 01:33:44,619 mind I think it can open up a world of 1885 01:33:49,169 --> 01:33:46,989 new experiences and not only that but it 1886 01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:49,179 can expand our understanding of who we 1887 01:33:56,250 --> 01:33:51,070 are as human being so what we're capable 1888 01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:56,260 of well you know it's like understanding 1889 01:34:00,330 --> 01:33:57,489 the importance of 1890 01:34:02,459 --> 01:34:00,340 art a lot of people don't appreciate 1891 01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:02,469 don't appreciate it I'm know well we 1892 01:34:06,029 --> 01:34:04,000 wouldn't need to study art in school my 1893 01:34:10,259 --> 01:34:06,039 kid doesn't need that because I think 1894 01:34:11,129 --> 01:34:10,269 what it's so difficult to verbalize that 1895 01:34:13,529 --> 01:34:11,139 ethereal 1896 01:34:16,259 --> 01:34:13,539 effect that art can have you know and 1897 01:34:22,350 --> 01:34:16,269 and translate that into you know a plus 1898 01:34:26,459 --> 01:34:22,360 a equals this it's just it's hard it's 1899 01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:26,469 hard to express that I think well it is 1900 01:34:32,279 --> 01:34:28,719 unconsciously we don't really know I 1901 01:34:34,759 --> 01:34:32,289 think our subconscious gets art and it 1902 01:34:37,379 --> 01:34:34,769 gets us gets an instantaneous story 1903 01:34:40,169 --> 01:34:37,389 because our subconscious looks at the 1904 01:34:42,330 --> 01:34:40,179 symbolism in art and goes oh I know 1905 01:34:45,959 --> 01:34:42,340 exactly what that artist was trying to 1906 01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:45,969 say I totally get that and you know 1907 01:34:50,490 --> 01:34:48,010 consciously we might be looking at and 1908 01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:50,500 this is really abstract what the heck is 1909 01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:52,570 this and I think it's you know crop 1910 01:34:57,899 --> 01:34:54,639 circles I remember seeing some really 1911 01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:57,909 elaborate crop circles and thinking well 1912 01:35:03,209 --> 01:34:59,440 we don't know consciously with what 1913 01:35:05,279 --> 01:35:03,219 those mean but if they're real I imagine 1914 01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:05,289 our subconscious know exactly what 1915 01:35:16,169 --> 01:35:08,800 they're trying to tell us because that 1916 01:35:20,549 --> 01:35:16,179 movie our wages yeah look at all the 1917 01:35:23,509 --> 01:35:20,559 symbolism and how it was it was terrible 1918 01:35:26,029 --> 01:35:23,519 right create a new way of communicating 1919 01:35:28,910 --> 01:35:26,039 and 1920 01:35:30,859 --> 01:35:28,920 powerful it was so yeah I think that 1921 01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:30,869 there's a part of us that knows way more 1922 01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:33,690 than the conscious mind would like to 1923 01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:36,239 admit we know yeah you know it's a 1924 01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:38,010 really a shame I feel like that movie 1925 01:35:48,109 --> 01:35:40,230 did not get enough attention as it 1926 01:35:50,180 --> 01:35:48,119 deserved I think you're right yeah 1927 01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:50,190 because it's and again it's like 1928 01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:51,840 Hollywood man you know with the 1929 01:35:55,850 --> 01:35:53,760 marketing they they market something as 1930 01:35:58,700 --> 01:35:55,860 a comedy and it's not a comedy just so 1931 01:36:00,649 --> 01:35:58,710 it can be know like in a category or the 1932 01:36:02,959 --> 01:36:00,659 way they market the film is like a like 1933 01:36:04,370 --> 01:36:02,969 epic sci-fi and arrival wasn't an epic 1934 01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:04,380 sci-fi that's not what it was about 1935 01:36:12,410 --> 01:36:08,610 really so I think I think it lost its 1936 01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:12,420 merits um you know unrightfully so 1937 01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:15,989 because it was just miss marketed anyway 1938 01:36:21,169 --> 01:36:17,280 I think I think like a lot of great 1939 01:36:23,089 --> 01:36:21,179 films Atlas Cloud Atlas is gaining 1940 01:36:26,180 --> 01:36:23,099 momentum and popularity again when it 1941 01:36:27,620 --> 01:36:26,190 when it came out what 2012 it was sort 1942 01:36:31,490 --> 01:36:27,630 of panned by the critics so then nobody 1943 01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:31,500 want to see it but now looking at it oh 1944 01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:35,940 my god it's a beautiful film yeah yeah 1945 01:36:42,169 --> 01:36:38,760 oh it's all it's totally archetypal it's 1946 01:36:43,330 --> 01:36:42,179 all about archetypes reincarnation who 1947 01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:43,340 we are as people 1948 01:36:47,569 --> 01:36:46,170 everybody into interconnection love it's 1949 01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:47,579 it's beautiful 1950 01:36:51,049 --> 01:36:49,440 yeah that's my opinion I may be wrong 1951 01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:51,059 you know compared to someone else's have 1952 01:36:58,580 --> 01:36:55,110 been in but that's how I feel yeah so so 1953 01:37:00,259 --> 01:36:58,590 for yourself how do you feel do you feel 1954 01:37:00,740 --> 01:37:00,269 like you're making an impact in the 1955 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:00,750 world 1956 01:37:05,450 --> 01:37:02,010 you know what the work that you're doing 1957 01:37:07,609 --> 01:37:05,460 oh gosh I hope so I mean it's really 1958 01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:07,619 nice when I get an email or you know 1959 01:37:11,540 --> 01:37:09,570 somebody says oh my god I read this book 1960 01:37:13,609 --> 01:37:11,550 and I loved it I know it's changed my 1961 01:37:16,279 --> 01:37:13,619 life you know I always kind of have that 1962 01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:16,289 certainly jerk reaction of you you read 1963 01:37:27,529 --> 01:37:23,570 my book like that I've heard enough 1964 01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:27,539 people and reviews say that there is 1965 01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:30,510 some really good meat to this and I 1966 01:37:37,129 --> 01:37:32,400 think the reason why is because it was 1967 01:37:38,350 --> 01:37:37,139 written from a very honest universal 1968 01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:38,360 face in 1969 01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:42,770 eat that I was reaching out from it was 1970 01:37:48,970 --> 01:37:46,400 not a book that I think I wrote with a 1971 01:37:50,859 --> 01:37:48,980 lot of conscious awareness of oh I want 1972 01:37:55,149 --> 01:37:50,869 to do this this this and achieve that it 1973 01:37:57,609 --> 01:37:55,159 was more like I this isn't this stuff 1974 01:38:00,189 --> 01:37:57,619 entik this is on it people hate it 1975 01:38:02,109 --> 01:38:00,199 whatever but this is what I've been 1976 01:38:03,939 --> 01:38:02,119 through this is what I've learned this 1977 01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:03,949 is what people have taught me and this 1978 01:38:09,609 --> 01:38:07,760 is really coming from a place that I 1979 01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:09,619 think a whole lot of people can relate 1980 01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:14,449 to because I you know I talk to a lot of 1981 01:38:19,419 --> 01:38:16,400 people they need other people I open 1982 01:38:21,609 --> 01:38:19,429 here the same thing over and over why 1983 01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:21,619 can't I change why is this pattern 1984 01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:24,290 showing up again and why am I still 1985 01:38:28,090 --> 01:38:26,000 doing the same things why am I still 1986 01:38:30,669 --> 01:38:28,100 getting the same things and life that I 1987 01:38:32,620 --> 01:38:30,679 got before because I'm doing some things 1988 01:38:34,330 --> 01:38:32,630 differently but then you know the more 1989 01:38:35,950 --> 01:38:34,340 you talk to some you realize well 1990 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:35,960 they're doing things differently on a 1991 01:38:41,890 --> 01:38:38,330 very surface level and it's bringing 1992 01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:41,900 about a little bit of change but again 1993 01:38:45,970 --> 01:38:43,489 it's like well and then going through 1994 01:38:47,950 --> 01:38:45,980 recovery programs that realizing why do 1995 01:38:51,070 --> 01:38:47,960 people go back out why do people drink 1996 01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:51,080 again why do people do it again because 1997 01:38:58,090 --> 01:38:54,290 unless you keep going again all that's 1998 01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,100 out and meeting these archetypes face to 1999 01:39:02,350 --> 01:39:00,560 face and replacing the ones that are 2000 01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:02,360 hurting you with more empowering ones 2001 01:39:08,020 --> 01:39:04,480 it's an ongoing process 2002 01:39:10,899 --> 01:39:08,030 you never do it you're you know you're 2003 01:39:15,609 --> 01:39:10,909 doomed to repeat your same behaviors do 2004 01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:15,619 you know when you have broken the 2005 01:39:23,020 --> 01:39:18,800 shallow thinking when you have broken 2006 01:39:26,590 --> 01:39:23,030 the surface and that you're now dipping 2007 01:39:28,660 --> 01:39:26,600 into the more deeper subconscious mind 2008 01:39:29,979 --> 01:39:28,670 because I think that there's this 2009 01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:29,989 confusion there because I think some 2010 01:39:33,300 --> 01:39:31,610 people think like yeah I'm on the path 2011 01:39:36,430 --> 01:39:33,310 of changing and then something happens 2012 01:39:38,919 --> 01:39:36,440 you know and then if they you know if 2013 01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:38,929 they are again you know so is there a 2014 01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:42,050 way to be aware of that well I hate to 2015 01:39:56,300 --> 01:39:50,620 because and when I was going through 2016 01:39:59,689 --> 01:39:56,310 recovery program I learned that I'll get 2017 01:40:02,630 --> 01:39:59,699 really really bad and hostile and mean 2018 01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:02,640 and awful before it gets really good 2019 01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:14,400 because what you're doing and that the 2020 01:40:21,380 --> 01:40:18,480 feelings of discomfort are actually a 2021 01:40:25,850 --> 01:40:21,390 good sign that you're doing the work 2022 01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:25,860 doing it right and so many times here 2023 01:40:33,380 --> 01:40:32,570 remodeling the kitchen right so for 2024 01:40:35,860 --> 01:40:33,390 weeks 2025 01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:35,870 your kitchen is a total disaster you can 2026 01:40:42,380 --> 01:40:39,030 use anything you have to go down all the 2027 01:40:44,740 --> 01:40:42,390 time there's dirt dust debris flying 2028 01:40:47,060 --> 01:40:44,750 everywhere from all the work goes on 2029 01:40:50,209 --> 01:40:47,070 that's what you're doing you know your 2030 01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:50,219 remodeling and then if you stick with it 2031 01:40:55,550 --> 01:40:53,489 through the discomfort you get a 2032 01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:55,560 brand-new shiny kitchen with all kinds 2033 01:41:00,530 --> 01:40:57,570 of work wonderfully working appliances 2034 01:41:02,899 --> 01:41:00,540 and so for people who like the symbolic 2035 01:41:07,250 --> 01:41:02,909 imagery that's a perfect way to describe 2036 01:41:09,290 --> 01:41:07,260 what it feels like to really change and 2037 01:41:11,540 --> 01:41:09,300 they think don't feel that discomfort 2038 01:41:14,030 --> 01:41:11,550 you're not really changing you're 2039 01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:14,040 addressing things on a very surface 2040 01:41:20,570 --> 01:41:17,360 level gotta get down there and get dirty 2041 01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:20,580 and get your hands dirty and stained old 2042 01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:24,090 icky all right in order to bring up all 2043 01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:27,570 the stuff that's almost like this where 2044 01:41:37,700 --> 01:41:32,400 tar pits to the char and pull it up all 2045 01:41:42,140 --> 01:41:37,710 this bone looking at honest and it's 2046 01:41:44,689 --> 01:41:42,150 hard work but and maybe do it once 2047 01:41:46,610 --> 01:41:44,699 things are break for well that life 2048 01:41:52,430 --> 01:41:46,620 starts to get to you and triggers you 2049 01:41:54,380 --> 01:41:52,440 and play upon you again that better to 2050 01:41:58,280 --> 01:41:54,390 meet that you know continually forward 2051 01:41:59,629 --> 01:41:58,290 progress that to just say oh no I'm not 2052 01:42:02,020 --> 01:41:59,639 going to do any of this and you say 2053 01:42:06,620 --> 01:42:02,030 stuff invisible forever 2054 01:42:07,790 --> 01:42:06,630 people right can you bring just make 2055 01:42:11,839 --> 01:42:07,800 sure that microphones a little bit 2056 01:42:12,109 --> 01:42:11,849 closer if it isn't okay yeah okay how's 2057 01:42:16,450 --> 01:42:12,119 that 2058 01:42:23,209 --> 01:42:16,460 like you're getting a little distant 2059 01:42:24,410 --> 01:42:23,219 okay yes oh oh yeah chakras chakras I 2060 01:42:26,109 --> 01:42:24,420 wanted to ask you about before we ran 2061 01:42:30,430 --> 01:42:26,119 out of time 2062 01:42:34,069 --> 01:42:30,440 how do you work with chakras and 2063 01:42:36,020 --> 01:42:34,079 actually do you need to can can you just 2064 01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:36,030 not use that as a practice at all and 2065 01:42:38,750 --> 01:42:37,199 still accomplish all the things that 2066 01:42:41,899 --> 01:42:38,760 you're saying or or do you think that's 2067 01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:41,909 that's an assumption essential process 2068 01:42:47,629 --> 01:42:45,030 to understand who you are as a being in 2069 01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:47,639 order to to raise yourself up to break 2070 01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:51,090 your habits and so forth I don't think 2071 01:42:58,279 --> 01:42:53,130 it's necessary but I think for people 2072 01:43:01,729 --> 01:42:58,289 who who you know have that belief 2073 01:43:04,759 --> 01:43:01,739 or they work with their chakras and they 2074 01:43:08,540 --> 01:43:04,769 understand what they mean that symbolism 2075 01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:08,550 works for them other people might use a 2076 01:43:14,750 --> 01:43:11,130 different you know process guided 2077 01:43:18,129 --> 01:43:14,760 visualization or meditation I was really 2078 01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:18,139 surprised as I was talking to Zoe Wilson 2079 01:43:24,140 --> 01:43:21,210 supplied in the book a wonderful chakra 2080 01:43:26,779 --> 01:43:24,150 meditation excuse me I hadn't even 2081 01:43:28,910 --> 01:43:26,789 thought of chakras in that way and so 2082 01:43:32,180 --> 01:43:28,920 what she was telling me how they are 2083 01:43:34,370 --> 01:43:32,190 archetypal that kind of cheered me to 2084 01:43:37,209 --> 01:43:34,380 thinking about other things that were 2085 01:43:39,979 --> 01:43:37,219 effective as logical symbols and 2086 01:43:42,859 --> 01:43:39,989 native-american totem animals and I 2087 01:43:45,979 --> 01:43:42,869 think whatever works for you you could 2088 01:43:48,939 --> 01:43:45,989 use candles and if if those candles 2089 01:43:51,259 --> 01:43:48,949 symbolize something powerful to you and 2090 01:43:54,350 --> 01:43:51,269 lighting them in a certain order and 2091 01:43:58,339 --> 01:43:54,360 doing some kind of ritual whatever works 2092 01:44:00,589 --> 01:43:58,349 for you do it so I think it's wonderful 2093 01:44:02,540 --> 01:44:00,599 for people who look at that say oh and 2094 01:44:04,399 --> 01:44:02,550 love the idea of working with the 2095 01:44:05,870 --> 01:44:04,409 different energy centers in the body and 2096 01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:05,880 making sure they're harmonized and 2097 01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:08,730 balanced but that's if that's not your 2098 01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:12,090 cup of tea it might be something else 2099 01:44:15,629 --> 01:44:13,920 that's there working better for you 2100 01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:15,639 rather than forcing 2101 01:44:27,629 --> 01:44:19,840 something that you're not quite relating 2102 01:44:33,330 --> 01:44:27,639 to on a deep level okay so if you had a 2103 01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:33,340 choice of one one technique right and 2104 01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:35,650 said look if there's only one thing you 2105 01:44:44,580 --> 01:44:39,040 could do and that I could offer you what 2106 01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:44,590 would it be to make a change my absolute 2107 01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:46,690 hands-down favorite and quarterly 2108 01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:49,090 because I recognized in my stuff but 2109 01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:52,090 also because I see so much of it in the 2110 01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:53,650 world today every time I turn on the 2111 01:45:01,160 --> 01:44:57,010 news or go on Facebook is what are you 2112 01:45:04,890 --> 01:45:01,170 complaining about all the time by asking 2113 01:45:07,050 --> 01:45:04,900 what do I keep complaining about you can 2114 01:45:10,859 --> 01:45:07,060 get such a great picture of repetitive 2115 01:45:13,169 --> 01:45:10,869 patterns of behavior that keep coming up 2116 01:45:16,140 --> 01:45:13,179 so you're obviously unhappy with or you 2117 01:45:18,209 --> 01:45:16,150 wouldn't be complaining about that so 2118 01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:18,219 that's a great and even asking your 2119 01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:20,080 friends what if I always moaning and 2120 01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:21,730 groaning about just you know I'm just 2121 01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:25,210 curious they will tell you then reflect 2122 01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:26,770 back to you the tree that they're a good 2123 01:45:33,570 --> 01:45:30,449 friend okay so you're constantly 2124 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:33,580 complaining about money you need to deal 2125 01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:35,530 with those archetypes that have to deal 2126 01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:38,560 with poverty and and wealth and being 2127 01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:41,920 worthy and deserving it constantly 2128 01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:44,170 complaining about your diet you know 2129 01:45:50,220 --> 01:45:47,679 whatever it is a really healthy pinpoint 2130 01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:50,230 what you need to work on what's not 2131 01:45:55,740 --> 01:45:52,480 working look for the symbolic 2132 01:45:57,899 --> 01:45:55,750 representations of what that is and deal 2133 01:45:59,729 --> 01:45:57,909 with that because that gets counted to 2134 01:46:01,890 --> 01:45:59,739 the deepest level of the collective 2135 01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:01,900 unconscious where you need to do the 2136 01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:03,850 work other words you think you've 2137 01:46:09,629 --> 01:46:05,650 repeating the same patterns over and 2138 01:46:11,729 --> 01:46:09,639 over again if you're feeling depressed 2139 01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:11,739 or angry is Facebook the best place to 2140 01:46:25,740 --> 01:46:23,199 go oh hell no not anymore guilty as 2141 01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:25,750 anyone else because when when I was you 2142 01:46:28,830 --> 01:46:27,520 know first on Facebook and it's early 2143 01:46:31,500 --> 01:46:28,840 days 2144 01:46:34,380 --> 01:46:31,510 it was a much more playful and fun place 2145 01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:34,390 to be and it still is but now it's mixed 2146 01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:39,520 was so and debate I'm trolling it's 2147 01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:44,320 crazy it's crazy and I you know I go on 2148 01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:46,450 to see what's up with my friends and my 2149 01:46:51,090 --> 01:46:48,790 groups that I have my screenwriting and 2150 01:46:54,810 --> 01:46:51,100 writing stuff and then I find myself 2151 01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:54,820 getting anxious when I see the fighting 2152 01:46:59,130 --> 01:46:56,530 and the debating and I realized this is 2153 01:47:02,310 --> 01:46:59,140 good for me and it's not productive and 2154 01:47:05,070 --> 01:47:02,320 and I used to stay on for hours anyway 2155 01:47:07,470 --> 01:47:05,080 because I was addicted and I broke that 2156 01:47:08,370 --> 01:47:07,480 because I realized that it was making me 2157 01:47:10,170 --> 01:47:08,380 miserable 2158 01:47:11,850 --> 01:47:10,180 and now I have to be honest and I have 2159 01:47:15,660 --> 01:47:11,860 to look at what is making me miserable 2160 01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:15,670 and change it stop it yeah I think I'm 2161 01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:17,770 about to start my withdrawal process as 2162 01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:20,320 well because you know sometimes I all 2163 01:47:24,540 --> 01:47:20,710 right 2164 01:47:26,730 --> 01:47:24,550 comment on this one thing if I try to 2165 01:47:29,220 --> 01:47:26,740 make this one point just a little tiny 2166 01:47:30,630 --> 01:47:29,230 bit of this and that here in there over 2167 01:47:32,070 --> 01:47:30,640 the years maybe I can actually make a 2168 01:47:36,110 --> 01:47:32,080 difference on Facebook and now I'm 2169 01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:36,120 beginning to think maybe not no because 2170 01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:39,250 people they are buying into their 2171 01:47:48,690 --> 01:47:45,760 archetypes and not letting go yeah so 2172 01:47:50,540 --> 01:47:48,700 finding anybody to change on those so 2173 01:47:52,830 --> 01:47:50,550 networking is becoming very difficult 2174 01:47:53,790 --> 01:47:52,840 but you know I mean we're all angry 2175 01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:53,800 about something here and there but 2176 01:48:01,140 --> 01:47:56,610 there's some people that post angry post 2177 01:48:04,440 --> 01:48:01,150 yeah after another and I'm tempted to 2178 01:48:05,550 --> 01:48:04,450 you know unfriend them not because I 2179 01:48:13,380 --> 01:48:05,560 don't like them I just don't like their 2180 01:48:16,140 --> 01:48:13,390 posts and because I started doing that I 2181 01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:16,150 love you but I have to protect my energy 2182 01:48:20,180 --> 01:48:18,130 because I want to do some wonderful 2183 01:48:23,660 --> 01:48:20,190 things in this world and I can't if I'm 2184 01:48:27,630 --> 01:48:23,670 anxious and miserable and depressed 2185 01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:27,640 right so can social media be healing in 2186 01:48:33,530 --> 01:48:30,850 any way oh absolutely 2187 01:48:35,610 --> 01:48:33,540 well make great friendships you can 2188 01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:35,620 information you can find groups of 2189 01:48:40,350 --> 01:48:38,010 people that love the same thing you do 2190 01:48:41,970 --> 01:48:40,360 but I think it just have to be really 2191 01:48:46,290 --> 01:48:41,980 careful to stay away from the pain 2192 01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:46,300 in and other people complaining and 2193 01:48:50,940 --> 01:48:48,130 trying to bring you down but you know 2194 01:48:53,790 --> 01:48:50,950 just try to to pay away from that 2195 01:48:54,660 --> 01:48:53,800 occasion people or unfollow that they'll 2196 01:48:57,390 --> 01:48:54,670 never know 2197 01:48:59,970 --> 01:48:57,400 you can unfollow people without I'm 2198 01:49:01,830 --> 01:48:59,980 friending them absolutely yeah and on 2199 01:49:08,570 --> 01:49:01,840 that topic where where can people follow 2200 01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:08,580 you I am on Facebook at meridians writer 2201 01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:12,910 I'm on Twitter at Brody Jones I'm on 2202 01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:17,760 Instagram at Murray dot Z dot Jones and 2203 01:49:23,070 --> 01:49:21,250 I lately have been having the most fun 2204 01:49:32,850 --> 01:49:23,080 of Instagram because all you do is post 2205 01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:32,860 pictures you know I've been writing all 2206 01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:36,880 day and also uh Marie Jones dot-com is 2207 01:49:41,340 --> 01:49:38,320 the website right here your home page 2208 01:49:43,380 --> 01:49:41,350 yeah Marie Jones calm cool thanks for 2209 01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:43,390 coming on Marie do you have any other 2210 01:49:48,990 --> 01:49:46,260 works coming up down the pipeline or I 2211 01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:49,000 actually have a book that just came out 2212 01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:51,730 called demons the devil and fallen 2213 01:49:58,140 --> 01:49:54,610 angels and it is a comprehensive look at 2214 01:49:59,760 --> 01:49:58,150 those very interesting subjects and I'm 2215 01:50:03,090 --> 01:49:59,770 currently writing a book called the 2216 01:50:05,610 --> 01:50:03,100 emergency survival guide because I'm 2217 01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:05,620 trained in survival response and 2218 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:08,320 disaster response that'll be out next 2219 01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:10,810 year ok so we can affirm that you're 2220 01:50:17,490 --> 01:50:15,370 workaholic i tempered it a little bit 2221 01:50:20,550 --> 01:50:17,500 but i still love to work I really do 2222 01:50:22,290 --> 01:50:20,560 have you gotta Murray's website and you 2223 01:50:25,490 --> 01:50:22,300 see the list of books up there it's 2224 01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:27,270 so alright cool 2225 01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:29,290 so if you you have any last-minute 2226 01:50:34,890 --> 01:50:31,090 thoughts you'd like to leave us with on 2227 01:50:36,900 --> 01:50:34,900 this on this topic you know just don't 2228 01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:36,910 be afraid of change especially if you're 2229 01:50:42,450 --> 01:50:39,250 miserable and we have one life you 2230 01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:42,460 really want to live it being unhappy and 2231 01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:44,650 complaining all the time and if you do 2232 01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:49,950 yeah well and you can pick up the 2233 01:50:54,750 --> 01:50:52,570 ukulele and make that a hobby I'm 2234 01:50:56,780 --> 01:50:54,760 telling you really there you go really 2235 01:51:00,030 --> 01:50:56,790 helps 2236 01:51:03,090 --> 01:51:00,040 itself but actually my son has one but 2237 01:51:04,740 --> 01:51:03,100 it haven't planned it yeah it's a joy 2238 01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,750 for sure all right Maria thank you so 2239 01:51:09,630 --> 01:51:06,480 much for coming on the paranormal now 2240 01:51:12,780 --> 01:51:09,640 and yeah hopefully we'll hook up again 2241 01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:12,790 in the future sounds great thank you for 2242 01:51:16,260 --> 01:51:15,040 having me on the show okay thank you all 2243 01:51:17,850 --> 01:51:16,270 right this is Alan B Smith for a 2244 01:51:21,150 --> 01:51:17,860 paranormal now on the inception radio 2245 01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:21,160 network I want to thank Joe champion MJ 2246 01:51:26,010 --> 01:51:24,130 Lucas and Bob tarmac the producers on 2247 01:51:28,770 --> 01:51:26,020 irn for making this program possible and 2248 01:51:31,410 --> 01:51:28,780 to all of you for listening I thank you 2249 01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:31,420 and until next time live in the mystery 2250 01:52:42,330 --> 01:51:55,150 [Music] 2251 01:52:48,060 --> 01:52:45,089 ARC slave investigates the Stephenville 2252 01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:48,070 UFO written by renowned UFO investigator 2253 01:52:53,070 --> 01:52:50,650 ken sherry the Stephenville UFO tells 2254 01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:53,080 the story of the infamous UFO sightings 2255 01:52:58,050 --> 01:52:56,080 of Stephenville Texas in 2008 where 2256 01:53:00,419 --> 01:52:58,060 local residents witnessed unknown craft 2257 01:53:02,430 --> 01:53:00,429 and lights in the sky chased by military 2258 01:53:04,020 --> 01:53:02,440 planes these sightings would set off a 2259 01:53:05,970 --> 01:53:04,030 series of events that would quickly 2260 01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:05,980 become one of the most controversial and 2261 01:53:10,830 --> 01:53:08,320 well documented UFO cases in US history 2262 01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:10,840 mark slate investigates the Stephenville 2263 01:53:15,149 --> 01:53:12,730 UFO is a fascinating and frightening 2264 01:53:17,310 --> 01:53:15,159 tale of sinister plots and shadow 2265 01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:17,320 government agencies vying for control of 2266 01:53:21,780 --> 01:53:19,570 the nation author and researcher Ken 2267 01:53:23,820 --> 01:53:21,790 cherry has woven an intricate tale that 2268 01:53:25,919 --> 01:53:23,830 shines a light on an ominous chapter of 2269 01:53:27,570 --> 01:53:25,929 American history and proving that not 2270 01:53:29,850 --> 01:53:27,580 everything is as it seems 2271 01:53:32,129 --> 01:53:29,860 mark slate investigates 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